RG3 and Gruden?

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Apparently gruden said he believes he can build a team around colt Mccoy... ok he's just asking to get fired now.

Just as Shanny tried to sell us on Rex and Beck in 2011. This is a franchise utterly without hope.

[skinsfan69]

Shouldn't the coach have the final say on who plays and who sits? At this point, what's Snyder's obsession with Griffin? Is it his ego and a failure to admit that the trade was a disaster? Or does Snyder still have a ridiculous man crush on him? What has Griffin shown that he deserves to be on the field? This is all about politics and Gruden doesn't want to play Snyder's game.

[calia]

I don't think it takes 5+ years. Look at what Carroll did in Seattle in less than 5 years. Bellichick in NE in less than 5 . Harbaugh in SF in less than 5 . Those teams weren't loaded with talent before their arrival either. I think Shannahan had enough time to show improvement but the team was at its worst his final season in DC. I doubt he comes back and wins elsewhere - I think he's done.


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[irish]

Originally Posted by calia

I don't think it takes 5+ years. Look at what Carroll did in Seattle in less than 5 years. Bellichick in NE in less than 5 . Harbaugh in SF in less than 5 . Those teams weren't loaded with talent before their arrival either. I think Shannahan had enough time to show improvement but the team was at its worst his final season in DC. I doubt he comes back and wins elsewhere - I think he's done.


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You are only looking at talent and think changing players will make a difference. It wont. This organization is a complete and total disaster from top to bottom and no matter who is brought in wont matter because there are no players and coaches who can be successful in this dysfunctional loser environment. It will take at least 5 years to change the culture of loser dysfunction in this organization.

[calia]

Originally Posted by irish

You are only looking at talent and think changing players will make a difference. It wont. This organization is a complete and total disaster from top to bottom and no matter who is brought in wont matter because there are no players and coaches who can be successful in this dysfunctional loser environment. It will take at least 5 years to change the culture of loser dysfunction in this organization.

What is the culture beyond coaches and players? The owner? If so, he will probably own the team for the rest of my life and so I should move on now. The GM? I think Allen doesn't have it and I assume we will move on from him too. The fans? I don't see Redskins fans as any different from other NFL teams nor is the local media worse than NY.


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[irish]

Originally Posted by calia

What is the culture beyond coaches and players? The owner? If so, he will probably own the team for the rest of my life and so I should move on now. The GM? I think Allen doesn't have it and I assume we will move on from him too. The fans? I don't see Redskins fans as any different from other NFL teams nor is the local media worse than NY.


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The fans are the only good thing the Skins have.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by irish

The fans are the only good thing the Skins have.

It's hard to tell if that's even true with so many of them chanting R-G-3 in the stands yesterday and making a fool out of themselves defending the team name.

[LRT]

I was at the game yesterday - got cheap tickets and took my son for his birthday (what a lousy present in hindsight). Seeing the game in person really altered my thinking. This team is almost unsalvageable. I had a feeling that we were going to lose during the national anthem. The Rams all stood in a line sort-of at attention, like a baseball team on the baseline. The Skins were all over the place, talking, sitting, looking at stuff. It came across as undisciplined, unfocused and unprofessional.

Not to make too much of a small detail, but I think it reflects the problems we're having on the field - our play is unfocused and undisciplined. We look surprised and caught off-guard on almost every play.

So, I've switched from the "it-would-be-premature-to-fire-Gruden" camp to the "gut-it-all" camp. At this point I'd fire the whole coaching staff - no holdovers - and bring in a coach who can instill discipline and emphasize hard work and professionalism. We also need to clean house on the player side; I don't even know how many of our players are salvageable at this point.

[NC_Skins]

The only way I would be in favor of getting rid of Gruden is if it meant a total overhaul of the entire FO and scouting department.

As far as Griffin goes, if he isn't willing to take a backseat and learn then I'd move on from him. Like Gruden has said, he's been coddled for far too long and he has this sense of entitlement that the position is his by default. I recall another asshole (Jason Campbell) that said basically the same thing. I don't see it happening until it's too late though because his ego needs to come down a few notches.

[skinsfan69]

So I just heard on the radio that Gruden actually had to sit down with Napoleon and show him the film on Griffin. This organization is such a shit show.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

So I just heard on the radio that Gruden actually had to sit down with Napoleon and show him the film on Griffin. This organization is such a shit show.

That meeting is not an illustration of why this team sucks.

Dan Snyder owns the team. He has a big investment in RGIII. In large part, he hired Gruden to develop RGIII. If Gruden wanted to replace RGIII as the starter why wouldn't he sit down with his boss and show him that Robert needed to developed off the field because he has further to go than Gruden at first realized?

I think it would have been disrespectful for Gruden not to meet with Snyder about something that Gruden knew was very important to the owner of the team.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

That meeting is not an illustration of why this team sucks.

Dan Snyder owns the team. He has a big investment in RGIII. In large part, he hired Gruden to develop RGIII. If Gruden wanted to replace RGIII as the starter why wouldn't he sit down with his boss and show him that Robert needed to developed off the field because he has further to go than Gruden at first realized?

I think it would have been disrespectful for Gruden not to meet with Snyder about something that Gruden knew was very important to the owner of the team.

Yeah I don't see a problem with this either. Especially since Snyder is not a football person (I know, I'm stating what is clearly obvious). I think this is more productive than Gruden blasting RG3 during his press conferences.

Now if we can have a follow up with Gruden showing film of how much our offensive line works, perhaps the team can focus on where did they go wrong in their draft picks/free agency acquisitions in that area and rectify it.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

That meeting is not an illustration of why this team sucks.

Dan Snyder owns the team. He has a big investment in RGIII. In large part, he hired Gruden to develop RGIII. If Gruden wanted to replace RGIII as the starter why wouldn't he sit down with his boss and show him that Robert needed to developed off the field because he has further to go than Gruden at first realized?

I think it would have been disrespectful for Gruden not to meet with Snyder about something that Gruden knew was very important to the owner of the team.

I'm trying to put myself in that position and if my head coach comes to me and says he's benching the starting QB, and gives me legit reasons, I'm backing my coach. I'm not going to sit in the film room with the coach and go over missed wr's, incorrect drops, throwing late, taking sacks and on and on and on. Especially since Snyder isn't qualified to even be in a film room.

[irish]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm trying to put myself in that position and if my head coach comes to me and says he's benching the starting QB, and gives me legit reasons, I'm backing my coach. I'm not going to sit in the film room with the coach and go over missed wr's, incorrect drops, throwing late, taking sacks and on and on and on. Especially since Snyder isn't qualified to even be in a film room.

The problem is Snyder thinks he's qualified. He thinks he a football guy and a talent evaluator.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by irish

The problem is Snyder thinks he's qualified. He thinks he a football guy and a talent evaluator.

If he thought he was, he'd be Jerry Jones.