Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

I don't think the talent is as horrible as you think. I don't know if Rambo will remain a starter at Buffalo, but he looked better with them than he did with us.

Haslett has been a let down on D wherever he's been in the NFL. Pitt, NO, doesn't matter. Talent doesn't matter in his case.

Morris.. sure didn't make the secondary more than a weakness this season. At least our front 7 could stop the run once in awhile, and Kerrigan's got his sacks.

I agree that we have more talent than showed on the field, but there are, imo, gaping holes at Safety especially, that forced the defense to try to limit damage a lot of times, rather than play a winning hand. That said, Haslett had 5 years to let his unit's needs be known, and he didn't produce. I am glad we have moved on from him - a year too late - and hope that they go with either a strong young riser(always a risk), or a Wade Phillips type who has produced top tier defenses with the kind of players we have (minus safety).

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by That Guy

just because you draft someone in the 2nd round doesn't mean they're not garbage.

at corner this year, we had hall (IR), porter (IR) amerson (played like garbage), biggers (garbage), breeland (great, considering), and rotating practice squad players. how the hell do you make a good defense with 1 competent corner.

safety was basically the same. clark (slow/washed up garbage), merriweather (misses 50% of games, gets confused, sometimes plays decently), ihenacho (IR), and the people behind them that didn't show in any way that they could get it done.

so, no one's arguing that the D staff sucked. they're just saying it's not an either/or. the staff sucked AND the players they were given were horrible and WAY below the standard NFL talent level (regardless of where or how we got them, or how good they might have been in college or 3 years ago or whatever).

no one can design a good defense w/ 1 corner and 0.5 of a safety. our defensive staff was set up to fail when we signed two injuries (porter/ihenacho) and a band aid (clark). once hall went down, it was over. haslett's track record has proven he's a 20-27th place defensive coordinator. no one's arguing that. you (HG28) are just being a bit obtuse in not noticing or admitting that while it is true that the staff sucked, it's ALSO true that the talent was truly truly horrible this year.

and we knew that going into last offseason, and the team knew that too, yet they failed to do anything meaningful about it beside hope and pray. F-.

I agree with most of this as it relates to our talent or lack of it at safety. Other than the short time Sean Taylor and LaRon Landry played together we have not had a good pair of safety's (needed to be a good defense) since we had Brad Edwards, Danny Copeland and Todd Bowles all the way back in 1992. That is a long time ago, which partly explains why we have not had a dominate defense since.
As is repeated over and over again during playoffs, you win (in the playoffs) by 1) good defense 2) running the ball. If you can not do this your chances to advance are lessened.
Our biggest weakness in our defense last season going into 2014 was at safety. But yet we spent most of our available cap money on Orakpo, Hatcher and DJax. Then we drafted a LB at the top of our draft. The huge hole at safety and to a lesser extent O-line has to be a priority to fix. We currently have terrible Safety's.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I agree with most of this as it relates to our talent or lack of it at safety. Other than the short time Sean Taylor and LaRon Landry played together we have not had a good pair of safety's (needed to be a good defense) since we had Brad Edwards, Danny Copeland and Todd Bowles all the way back in 1992. That is a long time ago, which partly explains why we have not had a dominate defense since.
As is repeated over and over again during playoffs, you win (in the playoffs) by 1) good defense 2) running the ball. If you can not do this your chances to advance are lessened.
Our biggest weakness in our defense last season going into 2014 was at safety. But yet we spent most of our available cap money on Orakpo, Hatcher and DJax. Then we drafted a LB at the top of our draft. The huge hole at safety and to a lesser extent O-line has to be a priority to fix. We currently have terrible Safety's.

This is why I think the questions posed to Allen were legitimate. What fan or reasonable football analyst, going into last offseason didn't see RT and Safety as the top needs of our team. How did we address either? inadequately at best.

[WillH]

Just agree to disagree, I happen to think you are the only one who thinks the secondary was talented HailGreen28, but talent is a subjective thing to a degree, and you seem to be defining it differently from others, let's just move on and talk about our prospects for DC. That's my 2 cents.

[Alvin Walton]

I miss Barry Wilburn.

[over the mountain]

what ever happened to our old DBs coach gray? is he still with Pitt or wherever he went?

i remember a lot of people inside and out of the skins liked him for bigger things . ..

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

what ever happened to our old DBs coach gray? is he still with Pitt or wherever he went?

i remember a lot of people inside and out of the skins liked him for bigger things . ..

Think he's with the Titans.

As for Phillips, he's a better DC than Haslett and a better HC than Gruden. His track record shows it

[JoeRedskin]

If it works out, I think the hiring of Smith as de facto GM makes W. Phillips a strong candidate for DC.

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[REDSKINS4ever]

The Redskins have no shot of landing Fangio unless the 49ers new coach fires him and brings in his own assistant coaches.

[SFREDSKIN]

I just don't see the fascination with Wade Phillips. I want a young aggresive DC like Bowles, which is what Ken Norton Jr. Brings. Phillips just doesn't show any emotion like Haslett. We need someone to get in the face of a player when they fuck up.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I just don't see the fascination with Wade Phillips. I want a young aggresive DC like Bowles, which is what Ken Norton Jr. Brings. Phillips just doesn't show any emotion like Haslett. We need someone to get in the face of a player when they fuck up.

Difference is Wade Phillips has a MUCH better track record as a DC than Hazboro did.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Difference is Wade Phillips has a MUCH better track record as a DC than Hazboro did.

Wade Phillips Record, Statistics, and Category Ranks | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Over his career, Phillips has delivered 7 defenses ranked in the top 5 in points allowed for 5 different teams. He didn't get a lot of help on some of those teams from the offense.

If anybody has a better track record on the defensive side of the ball we should hire them.

He has the exact opposite track record of Haslett. He has consistently been not only in the top half of the league, but in the top 10.

I like the idea of a young hire also, but Phillips is top notch.

[SFREDSKIN]

And there is this, which I totally agree with (having seen it over and over). Short term, yes. Long term, no.

Houston Texans Defense Will Collapse in Year Two Under Wade Phillips | Bleacher Report

[SFREDSKIN]

The problem with Phillips is that he is a nice guy, players take advantage of his good nature. We need someone that won't let the insane run the asylum, that's what worries me. The culture in the locker room needs to change, players need to be held accountable with no free rides.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I just don't see the fascination with Wade Phillips. I want a young aggresive DC like Bowles, which is what Ken Norton Jr. Brings. Phillips just doesn't show any emotion like Haslett. We need someone to get in the face of a player when they fuck up.

Phillips gets his players to play for him, so that they don't F up. And gives them donuts when they succeed (j/k)

Phillips has been DC 7 times, from that his units performed to where he was either interim HC or given a HC job 6 times. I don't know what exactly that means, I take it that he is not a great HC, but knows how to work in a team environment and get his defenses to perform. His average stint at any job is about 3 years. In my opinion that would be a good thing, if he came in got the D going.

That said if we brought in a young aggressive guy that might be good too. I just want a competent D Coordinator, don't really care which style he has.