McCants: Your thoughts?

[RedskinsJunkie]

Healthy competition is one thing, but it really seems like Gibb's doesn't want Patrick period.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by RedskinsJunkie

Healthy competition is one thing, but it really seems like Gibb's doesn't want Patrick period.

No, he just wants to have back up incase Ramsey gets hurt or cannot handle the pressure.
Gibbs would have traded Ramsey when teams were offering high 2nd round - low 1st round picks for him last year. What did Gibbs say at that time? No, Ramsey is our future QB.

[offiss]

Last season Ramsey IMO didn't have muck of a chance to see the field at the start of the season, this season he's the incombent, he will start, I agree with others if Ramseys play is hurt because we drafted a backup then he's not the QB for us. Drew Brees situation was far worse than Ramseys and he stepped up and took the bull by the horn's and so should Ramsey.

I will say this, I don't think Gibbs drafted Campbell with the intention of him being a 3 year project, I do believe Gibbs will be chopping at the bit to get Campbell some field time this season, I do believe Campbell has to see some field time this season as well, he need's to be showcased for a trade after Ramsey proves his metal this season. The one thing I will say about Gibbs great strengths of the past is to make a QB look better than he is, and in so doing extracting nice trade value out of him down the road ALA Jay Schroeder, who knows if both players step up Campbell may bring back a couple of #1's, that would help to make this draft day trade a little more palatable.

[Daseal]

Matty, it was pretty obvious that Brunnel wasn't taking anyones job (though he took it for too long.) Also, not all players respond the way Brees did with someone breathing down their throat. Honestly, some players aren't good at blocking that whole "Im going to lose my job" aspect. Think of it in your work place, do they have a guy sitting at the desk right behind you, just waiting for you to screw up so he can take your job? Do you get nervous when people closely inspect what you do constantly? It happens.

Why can't we give Ramsey a year where he's the starter hands down, no one to take his spot, no drama.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Daseal

......Why can't we give Ramsey a year where he's the starter hands down, no one to take his spot, no drama.

I thought we already had that, is was 2003. Or does that not count for whatever reason...?

2003 QB Stats:


Player Att Comp Yds Comp % Yds/Att TD TD % INT INT % Long Sack/Lost Rating
Patrick Ramsey 337 179 2166 53.1 6.4 14 4.2 9 2.7 64 30/206 75.8
Tim Hasselbeck 177 95 1012 53.7 5.7 5 2.8 7 4.0 40 9/44 63.6
Rod Gardner 3 2 46 66.7 15.3 2 66.7 0 0.0 36 0/0 149.3
Rob Johnson 7 5 39 71.4 5.6 0 0.0 0 0.0 14 3/15 84.8
Gibran Hamdan 2 1 7 50.0 3.5 0 0.0 0 0.0 7 1/2 58.3
Bryan Barker 1 1 3 100.0 3.0 0 0.0 0 0.0 3 0/0 79

[MTK]

Gibbs has repeatedly said Ramsey is the starter for 2005 and beyond, the only drama is coming from the media and fans.

Besides, if Ramsey can't handle the pressure, I don't want him here, who wants a QB who can't handle pressure??

If Ramsey was one of the top QBs in the league it would be different. Problem is he hasn't earned the right to not have his job challenged.

[Beemnseven]

Forgive me for joining this discussion late, but about McCants and special teams, I have one question.

Does anyone remember Rod Gardner ever playing special teams?

I sure as hell don't. If not, why did Gardner get a free pass all last year to the starting squad while he had one good performance every 6 or 7 games, all while not playing a single time on special teams?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Forgive me for joining this discussion late, but about McCants and special teams, I have one question.

Does anyone remember Rod Gardner ever playing special teams?

I sure as hell don't. If not, why did Gardner get a free pass all last year to the starting squad while he had one good performance every 6 or 7 games, all while not playing a single time on special teams?

Beems I was going to bring that the other night when this thread started but passed, but glad you did, my feeling has been there is a double standard, Gardner and Brunell have both been cut a lot of slack by the coach.

[joecrisp]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Forgive me for joining this discussion late, but about McCants and special teams, I have one question.

Does anyone remember Rod Gardner ever playing special teams?

I sure as hell don't. If not, why did Gardner get a free pass all last year to the starting squad while he had one good performance every 6 or 7 games, all while not playing a single time on special teams?

I'm sure you're aware of this, Beems, but generally speaking, first-round picks don't play much on special teams (unless they're stellar kick returners)-- even less so when they become incumbent starters at a skill position like wide receiver, and particularly when they're a player the team has targeted as potential trade bait.

McCants sat on the bench primarily because he doesn't play special teams as well as any of the other players on the roster who do play special teams-- it's not necessarily from a lack of trying. McCants was not a first-round pick, nor was he an incumbent starter. Combine that with the fact that he has a reputation for not practicing as well as the other players at his position (yes, Gardner is a much better practice player than McCants, from what I've seen), and you have your answer.

It looks like McCants may have the chance to prove himself this year, but he's going to have to make his presence known in training camp and the preseason games if he wants a shot at some playing time. He's got to shake this attitude that he only needs to show up on gameday. If he keeps thinking that way, he'll continue to show up on gameday wearing street clothes.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by joecrisp

I'm sure you're aware of this, Beems, but generally speaking, first-round picks don't play much on special teams (unless they're stellar kick returners)-- even less so when they become incumbent starters at a skill position like wide receiver, and particularly when they're a player the team has targeted as potential trade bait.

McCants sat on the bench primarily because he doesn't play special teams as well as any of the other players on the roster who do play special teams-- it's not necessarily from a lack of trying. McCants was not a first-round pick, nor was he an incumbent starter. Combine that with the fact that he has a reputation for not practicing as well as the other players at his position (yes, Gardner is a much better practice player than McCants, from what I've seen), and you have your answer.

It looks like McCants may have the chance to prove himself this year, but he's going to have to make his presence known in training camp and the preseason games if he wants a shot at some playing time. He's got to shake this attitude that he only needs to show up on gameday. If he keeps thinking that way, he'll continue to show up on gameday wearing street clothes.

Joe I know you attend the camps, is that your evaluation on McCants, that he doesn't put forth the effort in practice, or is he just a lowsey practice player?

[joecrisp]

Originally Posted by offiss

Joe I know you attend the camps, is that your evaluation on McCants, that he doesn't put forth the effort in practice, or is he just a lowsey practice player?

Some players just lack focus during practice, for any number of reasons (they find it tedious or boring, they have distractions in their personal life, they're not motivated to practice, etc.). What I've noticed about McCants in practice is that he just doesn't seem to be 100% "there". He drops passes, he rounds off routes, and generally doesn't show the same kind of effort that you would see guys like Coles, Gardner, Thrash and Jacobs giving on every snap.

I know, I know-- "he was a great red-zone threat during Spurrier's brief tenure, he shouldn't have to prove himself anymore, didn't Gibbs watch any film from the Spurrier years?"-- but Gibbs has answered the McCants question a dozen times or more, and the answer is always: "he didn't play 'teams', and he wasn't one of our top three wideouts, so we had to put the 'teams' guys on the active roster."

I'm not sure what else Gibbs can say to convince people that McCants had not done anything to make himself a gameday roster priority for this coaching staff.

The funny thing is, early last offseason, Gibbs apparently watched the film of McCants and liked what he saw-- even going so far as to suggest that McCants possesses some of the physical attributes that made Art Monk such a great receiver in Gibbs's system-- and the team gave McCants a healthy new contract which ostensibly indicated the team had big plans for him.

Apparently, McCants didn't live up to those expectations last year. I'm not sure how you could interpret his lack of playing time and productivity any other way. There's no anti-McCants conspiracy here-- he just wasn't good enough.

Here's hoping all of this negative talk (which McCants apparently took note of this offseason-- witness his journal entries) motivates McCants to make himself worthy of a weekly gameday roster spot. Lord knows, the Redskins could sure use another Art Monk-- even if it's just somebody who evokes vague references to Monk. Just ask Joe Gibbs.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Gibbs has repeatedly said Ramsey is the starter for 2005 and beyond, the only drama is coming from the media and fans.

Besides, if Ramsey can't handle the pressure, I don't want him here, who wants a QB who can't handle pressure??

If Ramsey was one of the top QBs in the league it would be different. Problem is he hasn't earned the right to not have his job challenged.

As much as I like Ramsey and want to see him as our starter I have to agree with Matty on this one.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I'd love to see Brunell on special teams! Har har har...

[RedskinsJunkie]

Ramsey rookie year:
year G com att % yds yds/att TD INT SACK rating
2002 WAS 10 117 227 51.5 1539 6.8 9 8 18 71.8

Elway rookie year:
1983 DEN 11 123 259 47.5 1663 6.4 7 14 28 54.9

My point here is give the guy some time... Sure looks like they might be packing it in on Ramsey a little too soon...

[offiss]

I think we forget to fast that even Aikman was being scrutinized as a starter after his 3rd year, there were people who wanted buerline, others who wanted Walsh, and Aikmen did nothing up till that point to distinguish himself in any way as a starter or future star in the league, he finally put it all together his 4th year and the rest is history, not every QB needs that kind of time but depending on the circumstances and the team that surrounds you it can very well take that long, and Ramsey considering all the changes he's gone through as well he has been around for 3 years but hasen't played a whole lot in that span defiently falls into the catagory to be givin a lot of slack. He has 23 starts under his belt that amount's to less than a season and a half of experience, with 6 more appearances as a backup.