Redskins fire GM Scot McCloughan

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

As Matty can tell you guys, because I shared it with him a while ago, I've been talking with other media guys for a couple of months now about seeing and reading about McCloughan being (or at least looking) quite drunk (really was noticeable at the Senior Bowl). To be clear, I personally didn't see it. But heard from multiple people I trust, all outside the organization. Of course that's a serious and personal issue so it's not something you just blurt out. We were all pretty stunned when Cooley said it on air. I mean you just don't do that.

Around that time, I got a tip that McCloughan had not been a Redskins Park and let one of the reporters know. A handful of us started to see what was going on, vetting it through various sources. Dismissing some as not being reliable. The one constant we heard from McCloughan to his agent to Redskins officials was "Don't worry, I'll (he'll) be at the combine." Agents started calling reporters and a couple of reporters called me "Where's Scot? The rest of the team is here" And that's when the rest of the commotion started.

Now beside the drinking, I did hear reports of "power struggles" the last few months but honestly had just dismissed it as healthy discussions and figured I was primarily centered around Scot and Jay vs. Bruce and Dan on Kirk Cousins.

So what do you think about Mike Jones and Mike Silver saying it was a smear campaign? Supposedly Silver spoke wit McC. I'm sure drinking was also involved after seeing those bright red cheeks photo.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

So what do you think about Mike Jones and Mike Silver saying it was a smear campaign? Supposedly Silver spoke wit McC. I'm sure drinking was also involved after seeing those bright red cheeks photo.

Well, I think it was a smear campaign in the sense that they took advantage of someone with a known problem and let it drag out and in many ways enabled it in order to expose him as the fall guy. They didn't provide help during the season, they didn't do anything when Cooley said what he said. They didn't protect him by being proactive about his absence from the combine.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The one constant we heard from McCloughan to his agent to Redskins officials was "Don't worry, I'll (he'll) be at the combine." Agents started calling reporters and a couple of reporters called me "Where's Scot? The rest of the team is here" And that's when the rest of the commotion started.

Did he not show up on his own accord or was he told not to come?

[mcludka]

I am torn. Was he consistently drinking or drunk on the job. He should be fired.
Was the ensuing pressure from the public enough that Bruce and Danny knew it was time to act? Even if the reasons weren't completely anove board?

[FlyerSkin]

Originally Posted by mcludka

I am torn. Was he consistently drinking or drunk on the job. He should be fired.
Was the ensuing pressure from the public enough that Bruce and Danny knew it was time to act? Even if the reasons weren't completely anove board?

Probably was indeed a power struggle of sorts, but the drinking had to be an issue

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Did he not show up on his own accord or was he told not to come?

Never got a clear answer. From what I gather he left Redskins Park on his own. And then was told not to bother coming to the combine. But that wasn't a last minute decision. He and the team knew for about a week that he wouldn't be at the combine. Even though they kept telling everyone he would

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

As Matty can tell you guys, because I shared it with him a while ago, I've been talking with other media guys for a couple of months now about seeing and reading about McCloughan being (or at least looking) quite drunk (really was noticeable at the Senior Bowl). To be clear, I personally didn't see it. But heard from multiple people I trust, all outside the organization. Of course that's a serious and personal issue so it's not something you just blurt out. We were all pretty stunned when Cooley said it on air. I mean you just don't do that.

Around that time, I got a tip that McCloughan had not been a Redskins Park and let one of the reporters know. A handful of us started to see what was going on, vetting it through various sources. Dismissing some as not being reliable. The one constant we heard from McCloughan to his agent to Redskins officials was "Don't worry, I'll (he'll) be at the combine." Agents started calling reporters and a couple of reporters called me "Where's Scot? The rest of the team is here" And that's when the rest of the commotion started.

Now beside the drinking, I did hear reports of "power struggles" the last few months but honestly had just dismissed it as healthy discussions and figured I was primarily centered around Scot and Jay vs. Bruce and Dan on Kirk Cousins.

Ok well that certainly isn't acceptable...I mean who hasn't gotten lil loose at the senior bowl?....just kiddin. Thanks for the insight

In regards to the power struggle...mike Robinson (nfl and McC friend)said the first sign of struggle was Scott told him was he wasn't allowed to bring his own guys in when but during the hiring process he was told he would be allowed. Also it was made clear during the hiring process he would have entire final say over the roster, no questions asked. He actually never did. Lastly, in the redskins building there was clear lines drawn who could be trusted and who couldn't meaning(leaks, people reporting gossip back to Bruce/dan. ) and this went beyond typical NFL working organization.

Thoughts?

[irish]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Ok well that certainly isn't acceptable...I mean who hasn't gotten lil loose at the senior bowl?....just kiddin. Thanks for the insight

In regards to the power struggle...mike Robinson (nfl and McC friend)said the first sign of struggle was Scott told him was he wasn't allowed to bring his own guys in when but during the hiring process he was told he would be allowed. Also it was made clear during the hiring process he would have entire final say over the roster, no questions asked. He actually never did. Lastly, in the redskins building there was clear lines drawn who could be trusted and who couldn't meaning(leaks, people reporting gossip back to Bruce/dan. ) and this went beyond typical NFL working organization.

Thoughts?

My thoughts are that any front office football guy would be crazy to come here since DS & Co. have proven over and over that you cant believe a word they say and in the end they will never turn over control of picking players to someone else.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Ok well that certainly isn't acceptable...I mean who hasn't gotten lil loose at the senior bowl?....just kiddin. Thanks for the insight

In regards to the power struggle...mike Robinson (nfl and McC friend)said the first sign of struggle was Scott told him was he wasn't allowed to bring his own guys in when but during the hiring process he was told he would be allowed. Also it was made clear during the hiring process he would have entire final say over the roster, no questions asked. He actually never did. Lastly, in the redskins building there was clear lines drawn who could be trusted and who couldn't meaning(leaks, people reporting gossip back to Bruce/dan. ) and this went beyond typical NFL working organization.

Thoughts?

Yeah that's a good point about getting his own guys. Forgot about that. Something I often wondered about

[rocnrik]

Not many of us could show up to work drinking,drunk,lay out of work..etc and keep our jobs and most of us made a fraction of what he was making..He has Serious illness and i hope he can beat it..I don't blame the skins they gave him a chance when nobody else would..i doubt he gets another.

[mooby]

Well there you go. Some unnamed guy who works for the Redskins said McC was drunk at work. That seals it. Unnamed guy has never been wrong before.

To be fair, I trust SS and his sources. And I agree that the photo of him with the rosy cheeks definitely is a bad look. I will also concede that there is solid (at minimum) evidence that he was drinking on the job. So if that is the case, yeah it's a valid reason to fire somebody.

But that doesn't mean I don't believe Bruce Allen has a case of the jealousy bug and used it as an excuse to get rid of him. Glorified scout, idc about that. Scouting is the foundation on which good teams lie. Bad scouts = terrible team. I'm not convinced his drinking led to him being ineffective at his job. Here's a question for you McC haters: How many FO personnel drink on the job? It's a loaded question to be sure, there's no way to verify an answer for it. But either way, I'm just not convinced his firing has everything to do with his drinking and nothing to do with Bruce Allen tired of not getting any credit for helping the team.

[MTK]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...=.1eb4c32386ae

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by MTK

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...=.1eb4c32386ae

Good article.

I don't know man. I have said this before but if not for this web site I longer be a Skins fan.

I am super ready to call it quits on this franchise. They honestly can't ever get anything right; its so frustrating.

[FlyerSkin]

Doesn't really matter anymore, the deed is done. Question should now be do they hire a new GM or just let Bruce do everything like before. Idiots needed to trade Cousins as him asking to be traded let the cat out of the bag that he didn't want to be here. With PG and DJax gone, might as well get an extra first round pick out of the deal. Hard to cheer for a guy that you know would rather be elsewhere.

[mcludka]

Wondering if the last 18 months were a disaster, as Bruce is saying, was it indeed Bruce that has made the decisions? If so, they haven't been awful. ( minus the KC stuff, but that is complicated too) Is Bruce actually getting a bad rap??