QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Other than Joe Burrow, who else is? Herbert is about the same and Tua has been hurt

Tua to me has the potential to be a special player. I know he has had injuries but if you're the Redskins you can't pass on him if he is still there at 2 or 3. You have to punt on Haskins because Tua is the better player. You do exactly what the Cards did, maybe get a mid round pick and move on. If a new regime has the final say then it could happen. If Dan just hires someone who doesn't have final say, which will probably be the case then so be it.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Tua to me has the potential to be a special player. I know he has had injuries but if you're the Redskins you can't pass on him if he is still there at 2 or 3. You have to punt on Haskins because Tua is the better player. You do exactly what the Cards did, maybe get a mid round pick and move on. If a new regime has the final say then it could happen. If Dan just hires someone who doesn't have final say, which will probably be the case then so be it.

You really think with the Redskin's history they should be drafting a player that is coming off a dislocated hip? That is a pretty strange injury for a young football player to get.

[Chico23231]

Bengals woulda drafted Haskins last year if they wanted him. Haskins play hasn’t made them feel any regret for passing on him

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Bengals woulda drafted Haskins last year if they wanted him. Haskins play hasn’t made them feel any regret for passing on him

First, i was just throwing Haskins and Trent out there as options.

Maybe the Bengals had a 2nd or 3rd round grade on Haskins and WOULD have drafted him if he'd been there with one of those picks. You cant say they don't like Haskins at all simply because they didn't REACH even higher than Snyder to get him.

As far as Haskins' play, no, it hasn't been good, but he wasn't expected to be good right away. He had limited experience in college and was not viewed as NFL-ready. What we are seeing now is exactly what we thought we would see. I would imagine that his play so far is in line with the draft grades most teams had on him.

So basically, you can't say Haskins doesn't have ANY value in a trade. Josh Rosen was awful last year, had much less "upside" than Haskins, and the Dolphins still gave up a 2nd round pick for him. Its preposterous to think there aren't coaches out there who don't think they could mold Haskins into a top QB.

Ultimately, whatever we do with Haskins, it should not impact our desire to trade up to #1 to get Burrow. Find out what the Bengals want and then do it. That's my opinion anyways.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

First, i was just throwing Haskins and Trent out there as options.

Maybe the Bengals had a 2nd or 3rd round grade on Haskins and WOULD have drafted him if he'd been there with one of those picks. You cant say they don't like Haskins at all simply because they didn't REACH even higher than Snyder to get him.

As far as Haskins' play, no, it hasn't been good, but he wasn't expected to be good right away. He had limited experience in college and was not viewed as NFL-ready. What we are seeing now is exactly what we thought we would see. I would imagine that his play so far is in line with the draft grades most teams had on him.

So basically, you can't say Haskins doesn't have ANY value in a trade. Josh Rosen was awful last year, had much less "upside" than Haskins, and the Dolphins still gave up a 2nd round pick for him. Its preposterous to think there aren't coaches out there who don't think they could mold Haskins into a top QB.

Ultimately, whatever we do with Haskins, it should not impact our desire to trade up to #1 to get Burrow. Find out what the Bengals want and then do it. That's my opinion anyways.

I actually can but I never did...so carry on with more trade scenarios. How about Trent Williams, Deez Nuts, for....

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I actually can but I never did...so carry on with more trade scenarios. How about Trent Williams, Deez Nuts, for....

Jeez. I should have just said "Trade something to the Bengals for the #1 overall pick to draft Burrow." As i already said, I was including names as examples. Realistically, Trent will likely be traded long before the draft anyways.

But I don't see Haskins plus the #2 pick to draft Chase Young + something else as being a bad deal for the #1 pick.

Ultimately, my point is that I believe Burrow to be the kind of QB that doesn't come around very often. The draft is such a lottery and he looks like more of a sure thing than any QB in recent memory. With the #2 overall pick, we would have stronger trade ammunition than just about anyone else.

No matter how well Haskins plays the rest of the year, I think we need to do whatever it takes to get Burrow.

Hopefully, the Bengals stumble into a win or two so we end up with the #1 overall pick on our own.

[Number44]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Bengals woulda drafted Haskins last year if they wanted him. Haskins play hasn’t made them feel any regret for passing on him

I think they really liked the Alabama tackle they drafted. (I did too.) Plus, I'm not sure they were quite ready to give up on Dalton at that time.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Number44

I think they really liked the Alabama tackle they drafted. (I did too.) Plus, I'm not sure they were quite ready to give up on Dalton at that time.

Word on the street Bengals really liked 1 QB and the Giants took him.

Only if our new HC 100% wants a new QB and doesn't see Haskins as the proper scheme fit should we move on from Haskins.

I really think Haskins deserves a second year and I rather only draft Chase Young in the top 3 OR move back in the first to get more picks. I like the Georgia tackle, but this NFL draft crop is full of great Tackle prospects.

[skinsfaninok]

Donald Penn had the highest grade of any LT this week. We have not talked about him enough, dude has been damn good

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[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Donald Penn had the highest grade of any LT this week. We have not talked about him enough, dude has been damn good

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How about overall in the season so far?

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Donald Penn had the highest grade of any LT this week. We have not talked about him enough, dude has been damn good

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Really? Thats surprising. He has been better than expected and can hold his own but I dont see him really move guys back or turning guys etc.

re this week, I looked up his snap count bc I know Christina played a good bit and found this.

Offensive Line (Team)- The team literally gained almost the exact same number of rushing yards after contact as they did total rushing yards (52 vs. 54 yards), which is not a good look for the O-line at all. The line was, at least, able to pave the way for first down runs on two of the team’s three short-yardage rushes.

Haskins was pressured on 32.6% of his dropbacks, which is not good, but isn’t a horrible showing, either. The problem was that the team gave up a season-high tying 6 sacks. Now the line wasn’t actually credited with allowing any of those sacks, but they certainly at least played some role in all of them.
https://www.hogshaven.com/2019/11/19...dskins-offense

6 sacks and none credited to any O line player? Seems odd. I now wonder how they determine who does and does not get credited w a sack.

Good for Donald.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Really? Thats surprising. He has been better than expected and can hold his own but I dont see him really move guys back or turning guys etc.

re this week, I looked up his snap count bc I know Christina played a good bit and found this.

Offensive Line (Team)- The team literally gained almost the exact same number of rushing yards after contact as they did total rushing yards (52 vs. 54 yards), which is not a good look for the O-line at all. The line was, at least, able to pave the way for first down runs on two of the team’s three short-yardage rushes.

Haskins was pressured on 32.6% of his dropbacks, which is not good, but isn’t a horrible showing, either. The problem was that the team gave up a season-high tying 6 sacks. Now the line wasn’t actually credited with allowing any of those sacks, but they certainly at least played some role in all of them.
https://www.hogshaven.com/2019/11/19...dskins-offense

6 sacks and none credited to any O line player? Seems odd. I now wonder how they determine who does and does not get credited w a sack.

Good for Donald.

Good to see some data back what I'm seeing from Trey Quinn, from the link:

Trey Quinn- The Skins’ slot man was thrown at four times, but only ended up with 2 receptions for 9 yards. To make matters worse, one of those two incompletions ended up being picked off at Washington’s own 14-yard line. The lone bright spot for Quinn was that he scored on a two-point conversion in the fourth quarter; it was his first two-pointer as a pro.

I’ve been telling you how bad Quinn has been from an efficiency standpoint for weeks now. This time around, I thought I would change things up by not just telling you his rankings in a bunch of metrics, but by instead comparing him directly with the other efficiency cellar dwellers. Quinn and the four other players in the table below are the worst I could find. refer to the link, its terrible


I like the mullet, but this aint working out. Another Gruden Guy...

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I like the mullet, but this aint working out. Another Gruden Guy...

How much hate and criticism can we really give Mr. Irrellevant? The fact he wasnt cut in training camp year 1 means he surpassed expectations. I think it speaks more regarding the other guys on the receiving corps tbh. Its like making fun of Ethan Albright.

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If Mac Jones lights it up or plays well for Bama .... doesnt that kinda ding Tua's stock? I mean, the QB for Ohio State is lighting it up this year as well. 31 td to 1 int.

Also, any chance he comes back to bama (does he have another eligible year)?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

How much hate and criticism can we really give Mr. Irrellevant? The fact he wasnt cut in training camp year 1 means he surpassed expectations. I think it speaks more regarding the other guys on the receiving corps tbh. Its like making fun of Ethan Albright.

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If Mac Jones lights it up or plays well for Bama .... doesnt that kinda ding Tua's stock? I mean, the QB for Ohio State is lighting it up this year as well. 31 td to 1 int.

Also, any chance he comes back to bama (does he have another eligible year)?

True but he was hyped by the media as well as the coaches...including gruden. I’m not making fun, just pointing out it’s foolish to have him on the field. Actually it’s negligent

[rocnrik]

Forget about next year for one second .. if you were the head coach and needed one win the rest of year .. would you play Haskins or keenum?