Marty Hurney Thread

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by mooby

Wouldn't this be a demotion?

Let's be real guys. Given his connections around the league, especially to the coaching staffs of the Rams and 49ers, it's very realistic Smith is out.

I only say this because it's easier to accept when you know it's coming, even if you disagree with it.

That’s what he is now. VP of player personnel. I was dividing out between pro and college. This could go a lot of ways, but I haven’t seen a single report linking Kyle Smith to another team or rumblings about him leaving. He’s young and doesn’t have any GM experience. Staying with WFT and working with two long tenured front office guys is a platform for him to grow into future roles.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

That’s what he is now. VP of player personnel. I was dividing out between pro and college. This could go a lot of ways, but I haven’t seen a single report linking Kyle Smith to another team or rumblings about him leaving. Yes young and doesn’t have any GM experience. Staying with WFT and working with two long tenured front office guys is a platform for him to grow into future roles.

I tend to trust JP Finlay on the subject. He has connections inside the building and when he writes things like this I agree with his reasoning.

It's not a matter of Kyle Smith not knowing how to scout. It's not a matter of how well he does his job. It's a matter of Smith being young and Ron preferring experience.

[CRedskinsRule]

I wonder if Mayhew coming impacts Stafford. His biography on 49ers site says "Mayhew was responsible for the draft selection of QB Matthew Stafford"

Seems like he would have some leanings that way.

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[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I wonder if Mayhew coming impacts Stafford. His biography on 49ers site says "Mayhew was responsible for the draft selection of QB Matthew Stafford"

Seems like he would have some leanings that way.

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Couldn’t hurt, unless he boinked Stafford’s old lady or something.

[Warthog]

I’m disappointed in the GM decision, because he’s older, just ANOTHER guy from Carolina and his record hasn’t been that great.

To me the big decision if how they tend to and pay KYLE SMITH. Increase Kyle’s salary and job title and draft/FA involvement. Perhaps Deputy GM?
Keep him here until he can impress Rivera with his GM skills and perhaps he can move up.


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[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Warthog

I’m disappointed in the GM decision, because he’s older, just ANOTHER guy from Carolina and his record hasn’t been that great.

To me the big decision if how they tend to and pay KYLE SMITH. Increase Kyle’s salary and job title and draft/FA involvement. Perhaps Deputy GM?
Keep him here until he can impress Rivera with his GM skills and perhaps he can move up.


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I believe Ron is building a long term structure, you know, the professional organization idea that we all have pined for the past 20 years. People are important, but moreso it is critical that everyone in the building is on the same page. I imagine with Hurney especially RR they know how each other works and thinks so should be more growth and less friction.

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[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Warthog

I’m disappointed in the GM decision, because he’s older, just ANOTHER guy from Carolina and his record hasn’t been that great.

To me the big decision if how they tend to and pay KYLE SMITH. Increase Kyle’s salary and job title and draft/FA involvement. Perhaps Deputy GM?
Keep him here until he can impress Rivera with his GM skills and perhaps he can move up.


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None of us know what the front office structure is going to look like with responsibilities/roles/etc. But let’s be honest, Marty Hurney ain’t calling the shots and pulling the trigger on talent acquisition. That’s Ron. Hurney is going to be the leg work guy and work with Mayhew to share the load. I was pessimistic about the Hurney hire at first glance, but the more I think about it, and now with the hiring of Mayhew, I’m not worried about it at all. Hurney won’t be the de facto talent decision maker. As long as Ron calls the shots, I could care less who he entrusts to do the grunt work for him. If he’s good enough for Ron, he should be good enough for all of us know nothing armchair football gurus until proven otherwise.

Plus I think we are just so conditioned as fans to expect failure as a fan base, we can’t even process something being conducted within the franchise in a responsible and positive way.

[EdmundDorf]

The impression I got from the local reporters is that Hurney doesn't want to have to deal with the day to day workload of being a GM, which is why Mayhew is here.... and the prospect of him mentoring Kyle may be realistic. Hurney is here to get the organization straight, I would not expect him to be here for more than 2-3 years, but we shall see

[KI Skins Fan]

Welcome home, Martin Mayhew!

Mayhew is one of us. He was a very good starting CB when he played in Washington. He's done some good work as a player personnel executive for some other NFL teams and now I'm happy to have him back with us. I'm not about to pre-judge his ability. I'm just wishing him success and satisfaction in his new position.

[MTK]

Don't really understand why Smith would want to go to the Rams or 49ers. Snead and Lynch aren't going anywhere as their GM's.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by MTK

Don't really understand why Smith would want to go to the Rams or 49ers. Snead and Lynch aren't going anywhere as their GM's.

I'm not saying he'd go as a GM, given he hasn't been offered an interview this offseason so far it's fair to say nobody's looking at him for that role. But if he feels disrespected or that he hasn't earned the trust of Ron he could ask for permission to look for a different role elsewhere.

Right now I'm gonna ease off the talk of him leaving until we hear concrete talk. Just trying to be ready if it happens.

I'm a fan of more eyes and ears helping Ron, obviously he can't shoulder the load himself. Hopefully it all works out and everybody is on the same page and Mayhew/Hurney help our drafts even more.

[AnonEmouse]

Originally Posted by MTK

Don't really understand why Smith would want to go to the Rams or 49ers. Snead and Lynch aren't going anywhere as their GM's.

I was thinking that too last night. I mean, aside from journos suggesting he'll leave, is there any evidence he is unhappy or RR is unhappy with him? As I said before, surely if RR didn't want him there, he'd be sacked by now.

[SunnySide]

So Mayhew takes Santos vacant job as pro personnel, Smith stays as college personnel. Hurney is GM. Sounds good.

Seems Eric Stokes (our residing Director of Pro Personnel) was looked over/diminished but he is young, with Panthers for 5 years before coming here so its not a huge diss. Making him Director of Pro Personnel was probably a title bigger than he should have at his young tenure. Jeff Scott has been with us for 9 years and was made the Asst Director of Pro Personnel so he had to work under a younger brand new guy last year.

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Finally ... Dan Snyder is paying actual money out of his own pocket to give this team a proper organizational structure. We had no HR, no GM, very few scouts vs others teams etc ... took forever to get a training facility and it was a bubble ... had no advanced rehab/PT machines in house until 2 years ago.

Dan would hire a Bruce Allen, let him wear 4 hats and pay 1 salary. Now he has to pay 4 guys 4 salaries to do 4 jobs. Now jobs should be done more competently.

Dan Snyder is top 3 most cheap owners in the league. Finally, he is paying competent guys to have a competent staff vs he pocketing maybe 750k a year by having bare minimum staff.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

So Mayhew takes Santos vacant job as pro personnel, Smith stays as college personnel. Hurney is GM. Sounds good.

Seems Eric Stokes (our residing Director of Pro Personnel) was looked over/diminished but he is young, with Panthers for 5 years before coming here so its not a huge diss. Making him Director of Pro Personnel was probably a title bigger than he should have at his young tenure. Jeff Scott has been with us for 9 years and was made the Asst Director of Pro Personnel so he had to work under a younger brand new guy last year.

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Finally ... Dan Snyder is paying actual money out of his own pocket to give this team a proper organizational structure. We had no HR, no GM, very few scouts vs others teams etc ... took forever to get a training facility and it was a bubble ... had no advanced rehab/PT machines in house until 2 years ago.

Dan would hire a Bruce Allen, let him wear 4 hats and pay 1 salary. Now he has to pay 4 guys 4 salaries to do 4 jobs. Now jobs should be done more competently.

Dan Snyder is top 3 most cheap owners in the league. Finally, he is paying competent guys to have a competent staff vs he pocketing maybe 750k a year by having bare minimum staff.

i think he is cheap in some areas like you mentioned but he will overpay on free agents like Collins...

[MTK]

So far Ron really hasn't made any decisions that have been flops or complete failures, so I'm going to trust him until we have a good reason not to.