Skins interested in Gallery?/Samuels trade talks *Merged*

[Big C]

i think this would make the most sense
1st- trade #5 overall and rod gardner and or trotter for the #1 or #2 overall and select Gallery. If they dont want that, throw in a pick from next year
2nd- trade Samuels to Browns for #7 overall, that seems fair to me seeing as how hes at least a 2 time pro bowler and 26 years old, 3rd overall pick not long ago...

Anyone agree with me? that way we can still get D-Line help in Tommie Harris, or get either winslow or taylor if theyre there

[Daseal]

The browns wouldn't give up their draft pick where they could get an allstar in Taylor or Winslow for Samuels.
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[Big C]

i dont know, maybe samuels and a 3rd rounder next year, that would be pretty fair it seems to me. the browns need o-line more than anything, they would probably consider it

[SKINSnCANES]

Gardner AND Trotter would never get the first or second pick in the draft. Trotter will be free in two months anyways and they coudl draft a better receiver with the pick.

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Crazy, you are definitly the cap expert around these parts, but once the June cuts come we should have quite a bit left over in cap space, correct? With Trotter, Trung, and more likely to get the knife, shouldn't we expect to get upwards of 1 mil in cap space free, or am I being too optimisitic.

Here's a list of potential cap savings for 2004:

Samuels $5.8M *
Trotter $2.7M *
Wynn $2M *
Moore $1.3M
Fiore $1.1M *
Noble $1M *
Upshaw $1M *
Canidate $915K
Bowen $850K *
Chamberlain $710K
Haley $615K *

* - player must be cut/traded after June 1st for the savings to take effect.

I'm not saying all these players will/should be cut, but these are the main choices.

[skinsfanthru&thru]

Originally Posted by Daseal

The browns wouldn't give up their draft pick where they could get an allstar in Taylor or Winslow for Samuels.
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plus then we'd have a huge hole on our oline. the only way we get rid of Samuels this season is if its in reasonable trade with the Raiders and that's if Gallery's still available. I think the Giants be trying to play people by leaking out that they want to trade up and get Manning when they really r gonna try and grab Gallery.

And about Fitzgerald vs Williams, its not only about expirience but also talent. Roy is faster, stronger, I believe taller, and makes amazing plays after the catch whether it be just hauling tail away from the defenders or running them over. I think Fitzgerald has tons of talent and I've seen some of the miraculous catches he's had, but it's not like Williams is a slouch at catching the ball either. Those extra things he can do after the catch with his speed and size is what seperates him from Fitzgerald. And too be honest I'm just glad it's not gonna be an in-division foe who drafts either of them. I'm more worried about Dallas moving up to get Stephen Jackson or Kevin Jones.

[SKINSnCANES]

Thanks for the cap list, thats awesome. I never understood why we paid Wynn so much money. Hes one of the first players I cut on Madden becaue of his high salary. Him and Moore. Wynn is solid but nothing special. Not that we can afford to let more peopel go off our line, but he should rework his deal. Im surprises his name never came up.

OH, as a side note, the problem with Roy is that he doesnt always make the miraculous catches, hes known for making drops more than that. When he does catch it, which is most of the time still, he is a great after the play receiver.

[MTK]

The latest from the WT today where they say the Gallery/Samuels rumor is more media rumor than real possibility.

http://www.washtimes.com/sports/2004...4406-4198r.htm

Meanwhile, it remains unclear whether Washington is considering a move up to No. 2 to grab Iowa offensive tackle Robert Gallery. Vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato denied an ESPN.com report that the team is eager to pull off such a deal, but Washington did have Gallery in for a visit last week.

One official with another NFL club characterized that scenario as more of a media rumor than a real possibility. And a number of sources familiar with the situation believe the Redskins do not possess the ammunition to move up from No. 5 to No. 2.

One scenario would have the Redskins trading offensive tackle Chris Samuels and the No. 5 pick to Oakland for the No. 2 pick and something else of value, perhaps later selections. However, the Raiders will field draft-day offers that include selections, most likely from the New York Giants and Cleveland Browns. Also, there is some skepticism that Oakland is as eager to drop back as is generally assumed.

At the foundation of the Samuels-Gallery rumors seems to be at least one shaky premise, that Washington is fed up with Samuels for failing to redo his contract.

According to a source close to the situation, Samuels has been willing to restructure the remainder of his deal for 2004 cap room or to consider a long-term extension next year, when he has just one year left on his deal.

The only scenario Samuels will not consider is one in which he negotiates a new extension now, while he still has two lucrative years remaining, as linebacker LaVar Arrington did in December.

[BleedBurgundy]

I hope this is just rumor/smoke screen before the draft.

[Showtime]

Originally Posted by skinsfanthru&thru

And about Fitzgerald vs Williams, its not only about expirience but also talent. Roy is faster, stronger, I believe taller, and makes amazing plays after the catch whether it be just hauling tail away from the defenders or running them over. I think Fitzgerald has tons of talent and I've seen some of the miraculous catches he's had, but it's not like Williams is a slouch at catching the ball either. Those extra things he can do after the catch with his speed and size is what seperates him from Fitzgerald. And too be honest I'm just glad it's not gonna be an in-division foe who drafts either of them. I'm more worried about Dallas moving up to get Stephen Jackson or Kevin Jones.

Roy Williams has more speed than Fitzgerald. Thats about it. Fitzgerald has better hands, route-running abilities, understanding of the game, and work ethic. Fitzgerald posted better numbers than Roy Williams in the 2 years he played in D-1. With Fitzgerald, teams knew he was getting teh ball most of teh time, yet still couldn't stop him. Plus, bottom line is that he scores touchdowns, like Cris Carter. He set the NCAA record for most consecutive games with a TD catch. His production on the field far outweighs Roy William' combine numbers. Don't get me wrong, Roy Williams is an incredible talent, but I just think Fitz is better.

[BleedBurgundy]

I've been serving overseas for the last 5 years and didn't get a chance to see either williams or fitzgerald play. Was Fitz a gamebreakeror did he just have a nose for the endzone? How was he after the catch? Everything I hear about Williams makes me think he was talented but unreliable.

[skinsfanthru&thru]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

I've been serving overseas for the last 5 years and didn't get a chance to see either williams or fitzgerald play. Was Fitz a gamebreakeror did he just have a nose for the endzone? How was he after the catch? Everything I hear about Williams makes me think he was talented but unreliable.

I've seen a lot of Big East games (thats all they pretty much show in this area with ACC games) and Fitzgerald was pretty much the only reciever Pitt had, so that meant he was targeted with the play most of the time. He did seem to find a way most of the time to get up and catch the ball even when double covered, but like skinsncanes said in an earlier post, Fitzgerald played well except when against near-pro level talent like Miami.
I honestly never saw Williams have the dropsies like it's been said. All I know is that I always seemed to see him getting 7 to 8 catches a game. I think both guys have more than a good chance to be incredible recievers, but if I wanted the best reciever right now it'd be Williams.

[SKINSnCANES]

Well, im sure this talk could go on for a long time, both are great players. While its tempting we would be stupid to draft a receiver. We have a ton of young receivers that are continuing to grow. If we had two picks wed be better off taking Winslow, who has the ability to be a receiver but playing as an H-back will make a greater impact. I kinda want the skins to just use their fifth pick, take Taylor and acutlaly have picks next year.