Paintrain's all encompassing 'discuss all things offseason' thread (Version 2.0)

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Imagine what RGIII will command?

If he can approach what KK has already done then he might do ok.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by irish

If he can approach what KK has already done then he might do ok.

Are you talking about Colin Kaep or CK? Colin better worry about what happens after Harbaugh leaves this season for the Michigan job.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Are you talking about Colin Kaep or CK? Colin better worry about what happens after Harbaugh leaves this season for the Michigan job.

I'm talking about Colin Kaep. Double tapped the K.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Imagine what RGIII will command?

It's a big year for him but hasn't quite yet earned that type of money.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

It's a big year for him but hasn't quite yet earned that type of money.

It doesn't matter. Cutler and Kaep both haven't earned their contracts, but still got huge ones. RGIII can be mediocre and will still get that kind of coin.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

It doesn't matter. Cutler and Kaep both haven't earned their contracts, but still got huge ones. RGIII can be mediocre and will still get that kind of coin.

I think it does matter. Kap has been the QB on a team that's made deep playoff runs the last three years. On top of that he's had some HUGE games during those playoff runs. He's still developing, he's had some bad games, but his ceiling is simply too high not to pay him. SF had no choice.

As far as Cultler is concerned, he's still had enough of a resume to get that type of money. Plus Chicago has a huge investment in him.

If Griffin has a strong year in 14, you have to pay him a similar deal that Kap got. If he plays like he did in 13, you don't extend him and let him play out his deal in 15.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by los panda

#37 thanks us for his time here, reminds me of rock cartwright. real redskins.

Good dude, played hard, but he needed to go.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Kaep got elite money for being a game manager with legs who plays on a stacked team.

He is still young, and has all the tools. I think five years from now it will be looked at as a very good investment.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Really really sad when mediocre QBs continue to get this kind of money. Flaaco, Cutler, and now Kaep.

Kaep is too young, and has done too much to be called mediocre. Too early to classify him, and he has done enough to justify the niners making the investment imo.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Kaep is too young, and has done too much to be called mediocre. Too early to classify him, and he has done enough to justify the niners making the investment imo.

I didn't say he couldn't be the real deal, but you don't pump 60+ mil of guaranteed money into a guy that hasn't proved it. Hey, might as well go back to giving rookies that type of contract.


I would not have signed him to that contract, nor would I have signed Flaaco or Cutlers to theirs. Let some other team make that mistake.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Kaep is too young, and has done too much to be called mediocre. Too early to classify him, and he has done enough to justify the niners making the investment imo.

Yeah I agree 100%. He's earned the contract.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Crazy how there is a new thought process where even if your QB just shows potential, you have to pay him 60 mil guaranteed.



Also interesting that the last 2 super bowl winners didn't really pay their QB's that much and somehow still won it all.



Teams are too afraid now of losing a QB, even though its been obvious that you don't need a great one to win a super bowl, just one that is "clutch".

I thought Flacco got paid alot? I also think Wilson will. Kaep has been fairly clutch in the 29 games he has started no? Two nfc championships, a valiant effort in the superbowl, and three road playoff victories. He has thrown many more td's than int's. He runs for a ton of yards, and has a damn good qbr.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I thought Flacco got paid alot? I also think Wilson will. Kaep has been fairly clutch in the 29 games he has started no? Two nfc championships, a valiant effort in the superbowl, and three road playoff victories. He has thrown many more td's than int's. He runs for a ton of yards, and has a damn good qbr.

He got paid after his super bowl.

I'm just saying in order to win a super bowl you do not need a QB that takes up almost 20 million of your cap space.

Kaep is a good QB, but his contract probably means they won't be able to keep a lot of pieces that helped him be successful in place.

I just think teams are panicking and think they have to pay QB's a lot more than what they are worth otherwise they suck. San Fran made it to the NFC championship game without Kaep one year. They have a great team, Kaep is a good player but he still is just a piece on one of the most talented teams in football. He isn't a 126 million dollar piece.

[SirLK26]

Well, once you have a franchise QB, or at least something close to one, you really can't just let them walk. Kaepernick did get overpaid, but what was SF supposed to do? Let him walk and start searching for a franchise QB again? It would likely take years to find another, years in which the team ages and loses a lot of talent. It's obvious that SF has been successful with Kaepernick at QB, and whether those wins come because of him or in spite of him, it's working. Plus, he' s only going to get better.

Like others have mentioned, if Kaep gets this much, what's RG3 going to ask for? I hate to think about that...

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

Well, once you have a franchise QB, or at least something close to one, you really can't just let them walk. Kaepernick did get overpaid, but what was SF supposed to do? Let him walk and start searching for a franchise QB again? It would likely take years to find another, years in which the team ages and loses a lot of talent. It's obvious that SF has been successful with Kaepernick at QB, and whether those wins come because of him or in spite of him, it's working. Plus, he' s only going to get better.

Like others have mentioned, if Kaep gets this much, what's RG3 going to ask for? I hate to think about that...

People use the word "franchise QB" too loosely. He's not a franchise QB at this point and time. Period. The 49ers were just as good with Alex Smith behind the helm which shows you it wasn't the QB responsible for their winning.

The only franchise QBs in this league currently are: Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Brees, Rivers, Romo, Ryan, Roethlisberger........and maybe Stafford.

Others have the potential to be but simply aren't there quite yet.