2011 NFL Draft: Rounds 4-7

[CRedskinsRule]

it also could be a typo where the writer meant 4-3, because the context of the paragraph JR just copied would be more often associated with a 4-3 DT, or a 3-4 DE.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

We both saw what you said - we were just highlighting other information which was contradicting your naysaying attitude. As I said earlier, the statement you referred to was clearly a word error because everything else in the report was made him out to be a NT.

"Strengths: Neild is tall enough with a thick lower half. Plays with good leverage and clogs up running lanes. Delivers a powerful initial punch and possesses very heavy active hands to shed blocks. Flashes a powerful bull rush. High effort kid that fights to the whistle and finishes plays.

Weaknesses: Not the quickest kid off the ball and poor foot speed prevents him from making plays in the backfield. Will not be able to play nose tackle in a 3-4 scheme. Lacks a repertoire of pass rushing counter moves and does not have a closing burst to get after the quarterback. Will not make tackles in space. "

He is a space eater who clogs the middle ... So he isn't a quick penetrator, we don't need him to penetrate, chase down plays or "make plays in space". In this scheme, clearly Rak and Kerrigan are there for the sacks not the NT.

Tell me "genius", why can't he play NT in the NFL? What else in the analysis supports that conclusion? Or is your entire analysis/conclusion based on that one sentence?

Good Post....you are absolutely correct in your analysis. We don't need him to make plays in space or chase the QB, we already have people in place to do that. His job will be to help make it possible for them to make plays.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by r08kessl

I think the most encouraging thing about this entire draft is the fact that they passed on taking a QB. We have both Shanahans, two guys who build offenses and know the importance of a QB to running that offense, and yet they passed on all the QB's. I think both of them recognized that every single QB in this draft was severely overrated due to the lack of talent, and that in addition to being overrated teams would over reach for them. That combined with the fact that the QB pool for next year looks to be much, much better and they obviously decided that they would wait for next year and get their guy instead of wasting a pick that we obviously need in other places on a QB that wasn't really going to be their guy.
Despite how much I love what we did in this years draft, I think next year we give up whatever we have to to get Andrew Luck. A lot of mediocre teams took a QB this year, and with any luck one of them will be picking first and Luck will be ours for the taking. When you have a guy that has the talent, size, and smarts to be the next great QB you give up what you have to, to go get him.

Totally...Totally..and OMG I hate to even think what it will take to trade into the "Luck" pick.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by r08kessl

I think the most encouraging thing about this entire draft is the fact that they passed on taking a QB. We have both Shanahans, two guys who build offenses and know the importance of a QB to running that offense, and yet they passed on all the QB's. I think both of them recognized that every single QB in this draft was severely overrated due to the lack of talent, and that in addition to being overrated teams would over reach for them. That combined with the fact that the QB pool for next year looks to be much, much better and they obviously decided that they would wait for next year and get their guy instead of wasting a pick that we obviously need in other places on a QB that wasn't really going to be their guy.
Despite how much I love what we did in this years draft, I think next year we give up whatever we have to to get Andrew Luck. A lot of mediocre teams took a QB this year, and with any luck one of them will be picking first and Luck will be ours for the taking. When you have a guy that has the talent, size, and smarts to be the next great QB you give up what you have to, to go get him.

Shanahan had only to look at his current roster and see a QB...[John Beck] who had better numbers coming out of college than the vast majority of top QB prospects in this 2011 draft. He was forced to play before he was ready and his career has suffered as a result. The exact same thing is going to happen to the reached in this draft. Shanahan took the safe way and decided not to take the leap when equal or better may already be in his lap.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Totally...Totally..and OMG I hate to even think what it will take to trade into the "Luck" pick.

I think Cleveland will be deeply involved in the Luck Lottery, barring either a McCoy break out year, or a Luck meltdown. Remember, they just got Atlanta's 1st, and 4th pick, plus theirs. They could offer 2 1sts and the next year 1st to whoever gets the first overall. (and with Baltimore and Pitt twice next year), chances are Cleveland's own pick will be top 15.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I think Cleveland will be deeply involved in the Luck Lottery, barring either a McCoy break out year, or a Luck meltdown. Remember, they just got Atlanta's 1st, and 4th pick, plus theirs. They could offer 2 1sts and the next year 1st to whoever gets the first overall. (and with Baltimore and Pitt twice next year), chances are Cleveland's own pick will be top 15.

Good Point....All things being equal. it will be pricey

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I think Cleveland will be deeply involved in the Luck Lottery, barring either a McCoy break out year, or a Luck meltdown. Remember, they just got Atlanta's 1st, and 4th pick, plus theirs. They could offer 2 1sts and the next year 1st to whoever gets the first overall. (and with Baltimore and Pitt twice next year), chances are Cleveland's own pick will be top 15.

Oh God have mercy on Carolina if they end up with the first overall pick next year. Still I think it'll either be Buffalo or Cincinnati.

[budw38]

Maurice Hurt | Florida, OG : 2011 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile , This kid from Florida might be a damn good Lineman for us , played both guard and RT this year at UF .

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I don't feel to good about Paul and Gomes, and Thompson. [QUOTE]


REALLY?? I REALLY like the Niles Paul pick. Analyst say his QB was a scrub. I like all of the WRs we picked, they look promising.

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Loving this video. Any lineman that wins the Iron Mountaineer award can join my squad. I really like the personalities of a lot of the players we drafted this year. A lot of leaders. Got some vocal leaders to. We need more of that.

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Helu could be a starter day 1, 4.4 speed and is a great fit for our system.. I still think ATV will be the guy but don't rule it out

Iono man, I never watched Helu in school, but based on his highlight reels, Im not really impressed with certain aspects of his game. He has decent acceleration, but I wish he was quicker. I seen a few other RBs that I liked better than him. I wish the giants didnt pick up Scott form MD. Royster doesnt seem to have that break away speed neither. We need someone who is going to take to the house on open runs. Im so pissed at the dumbazz Cardinals for taking Ryan Williams, we almost got him.

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Originally Posted by r08kessl

I think the most encouraging thing about this entire draft is the fact that they passed on taking a QB. We have both Shanahans, two guys who build offenses and know the importance of a QB to running that offense, and yet they passed on all the QB's. I think both of them recognized that every single QB in this draft was severely overrated due to the lack of talent, and that in addition to being overrated teams would over reach for them. That combined with the fact that the QB pool for next year looks to be much, much better and they obviously decided that they would wait for next year and get their guy instead of wasting a pick that we obviously need in other places on a QB that wasn't really going to be their guy.

I agree 1000%, I didnt particularly care for any of these QBs. Maybe Cam or Locker, but that was it, and I didnt care too much for them. I wish some of these nut cases that have been going crazy that we didnt draft a QB read RO8kessl post. It was the 5th round of a lukewarm QB draft class and people were "DRAFT A QB, DRAFT A QB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!".....For what???? so we could get another Patrick Ramsey or Jason Campbell. Dam that, if we draft a QB, he needs to be the ONE. That beast stud QB. Im tired of us ALWAYS having mediocre QBs. Id rather spend that pick on another position.

Whos the QB next year? To be honest, I dont care. McNabb, Beck, Grossman, Vince Young (who actually wouldnt be as bad as most people think. When he got his head back in the game, he had those Titans ballin at one point. He looked really good). It doesnt matter, because we have to get that Oline going, plus we need to get the rest of the offense around him going to, before we decide to get our QB of the future. By next season, our offense (all together) should be MUCH better, and our future QB will be set up to have a great chance of being successful. Not sure how I feel about the RBs we drafted, but overall, I really like this draft.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE

I agree 1000%, I didnt particularly care for any of these QBs. Maybe Cam or Locker, but that was it, and I didnt care too much for them. I wish some of these nut cases that have been going crazy that we didnt draft a QB read RO8kessl post. It was the 5th round of a lukewarm QB draft class and people were "DRAFT A QB, DRAFT A QB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!".....For what???? so we could get another Patrick Ramsey or Jason Campbell. Dam that, if we draft a QB, he needs to be the ONE. That beast stud QB. Im tired of us ALWAYS having mediocre QBs. Id rather spend that pick on another position.

Whos the QB next year? To be honest, I dont care. McNabb, Beck, Grossman, Vince Young (who actually wouldnt be as bad as most people think. When he got his head back in the game, he had those Titans ballin at one point. He looked really good). It doesnt matter, because we have to get that Oline going, plus we need to get the rest of the offense around him going to, before we decide to get our QB of the future. By next season, our offense (all together) should be MUCH better, and our future QB will be set up to have a great chance of being successful. Not sure how I feel about the RBs we drafted, but overall, I really like this draft.

Good Post....your assessment has been shared by many. Imagine how dull and unimaginative any opinion generated discussion would be if everyone agreed. Your points in reference to the drafting of QB's is well taken though, you won't have to search far and wide to find those who will agree with you.....including the coach.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Totally...Totally..and OMG I hate to even think what it will take to trade into the "Luck" pick.

I don't think that will even be a possibility.

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Washington Redskins Draft Grade: A

Historically known for aggressively trading up in the draft, the Redskins took the opposite strategy in 2011, deftly moving down the board, picking up more selections and still addressing keys area of need. Having run a 3-4 defense for the past few seasons despite fielding a team largely built on 4-3 personnel, the Redskins added a prototypical edge-rusher in Ryan Kerrigan to pair with Brian Orakpo. While many characterized the Big 10 Defensive Player of the Year as strictly a 4-3 defensive end, Kerrigan actually projects better as an OLB as he doesn't use his hands particularly well, but has burst, agility and great instincts. The Redskins added a classic five-technique defensive end in Clemson's Jarvis Jenkins in the second round and addressed their need for receivers with size in Miami's Leonard Hankerson and Nebraska's Niles Paul in the third and fifth rounds. No head coach has enjoyed as much success with late-round running backs as Mike Shanahan, and he could have worked his magic again with Roy Helu (Nebraska) and Penn State's Evan Royster in the fourth and sixth rounds. Helu, in particular, is an ideal fit in a zone-scheme, as he can plant his foot and accelerate downhill explosively. In terms of adding multiple players who fit their scheme and will improve the overall talent of their club, no team was more effective this year than the Redskins.