Campbell's numbers dont lie

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The free agent class is Chad Pennington, Daunte Culpepper and a bunch of nobodies, but I could see any of the following players released:

Matt Hasselbeck
Mark Bulger
Kellen Clemens
Tavaris Jackson
Alex Smith
Shaun Hill
Billy Volek
Brodie Croyle
Byron Leftwich
Jim Sorgi
Chris Simms

Of course, the only two players on that list that would represent an upgrade over Campbell are Hasselbeck and Pennington...who are both injury risks.

I think we'll address QB in the draft, but not in the first round.

What a mess.
I read an article recently that had JC as the second best FA QB after Orton, who's probably going to sign before FA.

That's an ugly list.
I would rather stick with JC and fix the OL.

*BTW-I doubt the Vikes release T-Jack.
After they signed Rosenfels they still named T-Jack the No.2 QB because he out played Sage in the preseason.
T-Jack might end up being their QB after Favre retires.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

BTW, there's a lot of interest in Campbell around the league right now, specifically from franchises out west. I would not be surprised if Matt Hasselbeck was the quarterback here next year.

Just saying.

If that's true, put JC on the bench so he doesn't get hurt or continue his poor play and he has some value in the off-season.

[SolidSnake84]

Pennington's career is likely over, and besides having an absolutley shot, raggedy throwing arm that never had strength to begin with, i dont see how he would make the difference here. The team needs the throw downfield. Chad is a great QB bu he never had the arm even in his prime before all the injuries....

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Pennington's career is likely over, and besides having an absolutley shot, raggedy throwing arm that never had strength to begin with, i dont see how he would make the difference here. The team needs the throw downfield. Chad is a great QB bu he never had the arm even in his prime before all the injuries....

Yeah, never understood why Chad was somewhat of a hot commoditiy after his stint with the Jets. Alex Smith would be an intriguing FA move though. I would get Chase Daniel back, keep JC if possible, dump Collins and bring in Smith if we don't draft a QB. JC is a backup QB at best now.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Yeah, never understood why Chad was somewhat of a hot commoditiy after his stint with the Jets. Alex Smith would be an intriguing FA move though. I would get Chase Daniel back, keep JC if possible, dump Collins and bring in Smith if we don't draft a QB. JC is a backup QB at best now.

Woah woah woah. Alex Smith? Why? He's been a colossal bust thus far. Yeah, he had one good game against the 21st ranked D. Nothing really intriguing about him IMO.

[SolidSnake84]

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Also i tip my hand to SmootSmack for keeping me from foolishly going back on ES and launching a tirade..people here are clearly level headed. I can tell you that in the nearly 5 years i spent over there, nobody there ever made me feel welcome like this.

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Mark

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Thanks to everybody who has welcomed me here. I can see already that this is the place for me. People seem friendlier and the whole board has a cleaner, more family style orientation to it.

Also i tip my hand to SmootSmack for keeping me from foolishly going back on ES and launching a tirade..people here are clearly level headed. I can tell you that in the nearly 5 years i spent over there, nobody there ever made me feel welcome like this.

Thank you again.

Mark

Glad you made the leap Snake, but beware. From time to time you will be made sport of...........it's our way
HTTR

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Thanks to everybody who has welcomed me here. I can see already that this is the place for me. People seem friendlier and the whole board has a cleaner, more family style orientation to it.

Also i tip my hand to SmootSmack for keeping me from foolishly going back on ES and launching a tirade..people here are clearly level headed. I can tell you that in the nearly 5 years i spent over there, nobody there ever made me feel welcome like this.

Thank you again.

Mark

There'll be a mint on your pillow in the morning. And Hog1 will be stopping by later in the afternoon to turn your bed, offer you fresh towels, and, if you're interested, some shiatsu massage

[SmootSmack]

You know one thing about Alex Smith. Yes he's been a bust so far but he's also been through five offensive coordinators in five seasons. I'm just saying we've used that as an excuse for Campbell...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You know one thing about Alex Smith. Yes he's been a bust so far but he's also been through five offensive coordinators in five seasons. I'm just saying we've used that as an excuse for Campbell...

Smith was also a very young 21 when he made his first start, so you could reasonably assume the light to go on at a later date, but in all likelyhood, he's never even going to make it past the adequacy stage.

Of course, he's still only 25, and Jason Campbell will be 28 on the 31st of December, but I have to think that Campbell has already accomplished more here than Alex Smith will ever get a chance to in his career.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Smith was also a very young 21 when he made his first start, so you could reasonably assume the light to go on at a later date, but in all likelyhood, he's never even going to make it past the adequacy stage.

Of course, he's still only 25, and Jason Campbell will be 28 on the 31st of December, but I have to think that Campbell has already accomplished more here than Alex Smith will ever get a chance to in his career.

Personally I've never been too impressed with Smith, and was pretty stunned when the Niners passed on Rodgers for him.

Still, in the interest of fairness, I felt it should be pointed out he has had to deal with various coordinators

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Personally I've never been too impressed with Smith, and was pretty stunned when the Niners passed on Rodgers for him.

Still, in the interest of fairness, I felt it should be pointed out he has had to deal with various coordinators

It's going to be real interesting with Smith now that he has a largely developed Vernon Davis and a Michael Crabtree running routes with Frank Gore in the backfield there.

Their OL kinda sucks too, but they really could do something down the stretch with Smith at QB. The 49ers have largely been void of talent for much of the second half of the decade, but every one of their first round draft picks since 2005 are now in the starting lineup, which I'm sure is something not a lot of franchises can boast.

Well, I guess Kentwan Balmer isn't, but he was as much of a first rounder as Patrick Ramsey was.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Personally I've never been too impressed with Smith, and was pretty stunned when the Niners passed on Rodgers for him.

Still, in the interest of fairness, I felt it should be pointed out he has had to deal with various coordinators

that statement pisses me off so much, you are either accurate or not, and honestly he isn't, but i think "I think a franchise QB can help an OL more than a franchise OL can help a QB" is very ture just look at big ben in pitt, the only problem picking a qb like tha out of the draft is like hitting the mega millions

[SmootSmack]

We don't need to spend high draft picks on linemen though, we just need to develop some of our young linemen (and add some more-namely OTs) and let them gel together. I think a franchise QB can help an OL more than a franchise OL can help a QB

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

We don't need to spend high draft picks on linemen though, we just need to develop some of our young linemen (and add some more-namely OTs) and let them gel together. I think a franchise QB can help an OL more than a franchise OL can help a QB

I agree with this. If there's one major flaw in Campbell's development since the 6-2 start (and there's probably been a few), it's that he hasn't been particularly easy to protect.

Part of me thinks that he's given the current OL plenty of chances to get their act together, and he probably has, but there's another part of me that thinks one of the reasons that the Redskins are struggling to settle on a starting five is because Campbell's footwork from under center are so inconsistent. It seems like he's become increasingly difficult for the OL to protect, which is one of the way that player regression will manifest.

Of course, if the backs would do a half decent job in blitz pickup, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation.