2011 NFL Draft

[BleedBurgundy]

just have a feeling we're going with Locker. Don't know if it's good or bad, but I'm starting to read mocks where his perceived value is starting to climb back into the mid first. Going to make it less of a reach for us at 10. Would love to see Shanahan trade back, but failing that, I'd guess it's going to be Locker.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

just have a feeling we're going with Locker. Don't know if it's good or bad, but I'm starting to read mocks where his perceived value is starting to climb back into the mid first. Going to make it less of a reach for us at 10. Would love to see Shanahan trade back, but failing that, I'd guess it's going to be Locker.

Good in my eyes...If the rumors of the Redskins liking Locker since last year are true then I don't see how any Redskins fan would be upset about drafting him at #10. Shannahan is the coach for the forseeable future...we know how fickle he is with QB's...if he likes this kid then we should want him to have him. Finding a young QB that Shanny likes and wants to work with trumps any other need the Redskins have. That is way more important then the defensive player or WR we can get at #10. It's not really about which QB's we like...it's about getting the one they like that they will believe in and invest the time in to build around. When the 10th pick rolls around on April 28th we are going to find out if all the rumors linking Locker to Shanny were true or not, because if they pass at #10 then their feelings for him were not as strong as we were led to believe.

[MTK]

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[SmootSmack]

I'd prefer that if we get Locker, it's because we've added more picks that allow us to get Locker and more. If we sit where we are, and take Locker i don't know that that's the best scenario. But if we pass on him and go for say Ponder, Ponder may not be there at #41. Which would force us to move up maybe into the late 1st for him.

In short, Locker is not choice #1 for me at 10. But maybe it's 1A. But that's my opinion, not that of the people that matter

[celts32]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'd prefer that if we get Locker, it's because we've added more picks that allow us to get Locker and more. If we sit where we are, and take Locker i don't know that that's the best scenario. But if we pass on him and go for say Ponder, Ponder may not be there at #41. Which would force us to move up maybe into the late 1st for him.

In short, Locker is not choice #1 for me at 10. But maybe it's 1A. But that's my opinion, not that of the people that matter

Everything you say makes sense to me. However, if they like Locker enough that they are not even willing to risk it by trying to trade down to aquire more picks...doesn't that excite you as a Redskins fan?

In my eyes if they trade down and still get him later in the draft I will be happy but it will also leave me wondering how much they actually believe in him as their future QB. Basically my excitement about Locker is based on the rumors of how much Shanny likes him. If thats all just nonsense then I don't care all that much if we end up with him.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by celts32

Everything you say makes sense to me. However, if they like Locker enough that they are not even willing to risk it by trying to trade down to aquire more picks...doesn't that excite you as a Redskins fan?

In my eyes if they trade down and still get him later in the draft I will be happy but it will also leave me wondering how much they actually believe in him as their future QB. Basically my excitement about Locker is based on the rumors of how much Shanny likes him. If thats all just nonsense then I don't care all that much if we end up with him.

I'd bet if we don't trade down, it's because we couldn't find a partner vs. any sort of indictment on Locker.

I wouldn't rule out taking Locker at #10, but MS might prefer having his cake and eating it too by gaining an extra pick and still grabbing Locker later on. That's just smart drafting. Sure there are risks involved, but you don't win in this league without taking some risks.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I'd bet if we don't trade down, it's because we couldn't find a partner vs. any sort of indictment on Locker.

I wouldn't rule out taking Locker at #10, but MS might prefer having his cake and eating it too by gaining an extra pick and still grabbing Locker later on. That's just smart drafting. Sure there are risks involved, but you don't win in this league without taking some risks.

When it comes to any other position I agree that its smart drafting but if a guy you view as a franchise QB is on the board and you need a QB then you stay put and take him. IMO if the skins trade down then the rumors of how much they like Locker were overblown or completely untrue.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by celts32

When it comes to any other position I agree that its smart drafting but if a guy you view as a franchise QB is on the board and you need a QB then you stay put and take him. IMO if the skins trade down then the rumors of how much they like Locker were overblown or completely untrue.

Well, people can change their opinions of a player of the course of several months so the rumors wouldn't be untrue or overblown, just maybe a bit outdated.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'd prefer that if we get Locker, it's because we've added more picks that allow us to get Locker and more. If we sit where we are, and take Locker i don't know that that's the best scenario. But if we pass on him and go for say Ponder, Ponder may not be there at #41. Which would force us to move up maybe into the late 1st for him.

In short, Locker is not choice #1 for me at 10. But maybe it's 1A. But that's my opinion, not that of the people that matter

I don't know why you were worry about Ponder not being there at 41. Look at Colt McCoy last year. 2010 as we know produced at least 2 quality QB's. maybe 3 if Tebow pans out. McCoy probably should have gone in the early second at least but dropped to the early 3rd because of concerns about durability. Ponder has those same concerns, in fact they're probably worse in his case.

On top of that McCoy had a much more storied career. Ponder's only advantage over McCoy is that he came from a pro style offense. Also, McCoy didn't have to compete with the number of QB's that Ponder has had to over the course of this draft process.

In McCoy's range, as it turns out his only competition was Clausen, maybe Tebow as well. Ponder has to compete with Kaepernick, Dalton, Mallet, and maybe even Locker.

Unless we take him at 41 it will be very likely to see Ponder fall to the third on draft weekend, and this is coming from someone that likes Ponder more then any of the other QB's in this class including Gabbert.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

I don't know why you were worry about Ponder not being there at 41. Look at Colt McCoy last year. 2010 as we know produced at least 2 quality QB's. maybe 3 if Tebow pans out. McCoy probably should have gone in the early second at least but dropped to the early 3rd because of concerns about durability. Ponder has those same concerns, in fact they're probably worse in his case.

On top of that McCoy had a much more storied career. Ponder's only advantage over McCoy is that he came from a pro style offense. Also, McCoy didn't have to compete with the number of QB's that Ponder has had to over the course of this draft process.

In McCoy's range, as it turns out his only competition was Clausen, maybe Tebow as well. Ponder has to compete with Kaepernick, Dalton, Mallet, and maybe even Locker.

Unless we take him at 41 it will be very likely to see Ponder fall to the third on draft weekend, and this is coming from someone that likes Ponder more then any of the other QB's in this class including Gabbert.

Hard to compare this draft to other years since there has not been any free agency nor do we know for sure that there will be. There is a belief that all the teams that have uncertainty at the QB position are going to try and solve their problem in the draft since they can't bank on free agency. That could cause the top 5 or 6 QB's in this draft to go higher then they might have in a normal year.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by celts32

Hard to compare this draft to other years since there has not been any free agency nor do we know for sure that there will be. There is a belief that all the teams that have uncertainty at the QB position are going to try and solve their problem in the draft since they can't bank on free agency. That could cause the top 5 or 6 QB's in this draft to go higher then they might have in a normal year.

I agree with you on the point that no free agency might create a better sense of urgency, but it could also have a reverse effect on QB hungry teams, as many of them might look at it as possibly the best free agent/trading block (Kolb, McNabb, Young, Palmer, Hasselbeck, Bulger) QB class ever and could easily be willing to be a little to patient on draft day.

Still even if a QB hungry team gets a sense of urgency with Ponder, I feel that he will at best be pushed up to the late second round, unless of course the Skins take him due to that fact that they don't pick until the 4th or 5th round after 41.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

I agree with you on the point that no free agency might create a better sense of urgency, but it could also have a reverse effect on QB hungry teams, as many of them might look at it as possibly the best free agent/trading block (Kolb, McNabb, Young, Palmer, Hasselbeck, Bulger) QB class ever and could easily be willing to be a little to patient on draft day.

Still even if a QB hungry team gets a sense of urgency with Ponder, I feel that he will at best be pushed up to the late second round, unless of course the Skins take him due to that fact that they don't pick until the 4th or 5th round after 41.

Possible but i tend to think 5 QB's will be gone by #41. And I think this lockout hurt the skins more then most teams becasue it's very possible that after all those QB's you mentioned changed teams we may have been able to get locker at #41 but now that's a pipe dream.

[skinsfaninok]

What's funny about Fairley is most mocks have him going to TEN lol

[SmootSmack]

The NFL has notified teams that if they discover any "handshake deals" are taking place right now, there will be hell to pay. Serious, serious ramifications.

Like when the Minnesota Timberwolves had to give up something like 5 consecutive 1st round picks for knowingly violating the salary cap

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The NFL has notified teams that if they discover any "handshake deals" are taking place right now, there will be hell to pay. Serious, serious ramifications.

Like when the Minnesota Timberwolves had to give up something like 5 consecutive 1st round picks for knowingly violating the salary cap

McShay and Kiper were talking about this the other day. They described it as teams won't be getting a slap on the wrist so much so as the league will opt to simply cut the hand off. Basically I came away from the segment terrified for any team that tries to pull a "handshake deal."