Obama Care

[firstdown]

The reason they want to force people on health care is because that the only way Obama can push this plan. He wants to force the healthy people to buy ins to pay for all the people with conditions that will now get put into the system.

[firstdown]

With all this said if Obama care is overturned I still like to see some type of reform.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

With all this said if Obama care is overturned I still like to see some type of reform.

There has to be.

[firstdown]

Middle class can now get Medcaid.

So they just found this little error in the health care bill that they did not read. Funny how thing are missed when something is not read and I wonder how many other things are hidden in those pages.

Millions in middle-class could get Medicaid - Health - Health care - msnbc.com

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Middle class can now get Medcaid.

So they just found this little error in the health care bill that they did not read. Funny how thing are missed when something is not read and I wonder how many other things are hidden in those pages.

Millions in middle-class could get Medicaid - Health - Health care - msnbc.com

So you're saying the bill should have included a clause that excluded middle class from Medicaid thus making the bill longer and harder to read? If only Cain was president...this whole healthcare bill could have been concisely written on 3 pages.

Don't worry, the fixable will be fixed with more words through the amendment process.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by saden1

So you're saying the bill should have included a clause that excluded middle class from Medicaid thus making the bill longer and harder to read? If only Cain was president...this whole healthcare bill could have been concisely written on 3 pages.

Don't worry, the fixable will be fixed with more words through the amendment process.

Jon Stewart Mocks Herman Cain: He Doesn't 'Like to Read' | MRC TV

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

So you're saying the bill should have included a clause that excluded middle class from Medicaid thus making the bill longer and harder to read? If only Cain was president...this whole healthcare bill could have been concisely written on 3 pages.

Don't worry, the fixable will be fixed with more words through the amendment process.

No they added wording that would make them covered.

[12thMan]

The well for healthcare reform has been poisoned. Republicans have demagogued a position they once firmly espoused - the individual mandate. Without it, I don't see how we bring down costs, while make healthcare affordable and accessible for everyone. I hear a lot of Republicans talking about repeal and replace, but it's going to be extremely difficult to insure the majority of Americans without including, at the very least, some elements of Affordable Care Act.

Firstdown, Mass residents really like the plan instituted under Romney. It would be nice to see the media cover that story at some point.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

The well for healthcare reform has been poisoned. Republicans have demagogued a position they once firmly espoused - the individual mandate. Without it, I don't see how we bring down costs, while make healthcare affordable and accessible for everyone. I hear a lot of Republicans talking about repeal and replace, but it's going to be extremely difficult to insure the majority of Americans without including, at the very least, some elements of Affordable Care Act.

Firstdown, Mass residents really like the plan instituted under Romney. It would be nice to see the media cover that story at some point.

Your joking right. The Dems had control of all branches of government and could have signed any bill they wanted.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Your joking right. The Dems had control of all branches of government and could have signed any bill they wanted.

It seems yoi're missing the point.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

It seems yoi're missing the point.

What did I miss.

[12thMan]

I'm simply saying the irony of the entire healthcare debate, and this thread, is that Republicans at one time wanted a plan very similar to "Obamacare". Today they act as though it was spawned from the depths of hades.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I'm simply saying the irony of the entire healthcare debate, and this thread, is that Republicans at one time wanted a plan very similar to "Obamacare". Today they act as though it was spawn from the depths of hades.

I guess I did miss that one. When did they do that or want that?

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I guess I did miss that one. When did they do that or want that?

Some during the Clinton era, some more recently. Since Obama was elected they've all, to a man, walked away from it like it was leprosy. The Heritage Foundation, a very prominent Republican think tank, was for it sometime ago, now they've deemed it unconstitutional.

Here's an article talking about it, there are plenty more out there that might have a more conservative point of view. In their defense, Heritage says their plan wasn't exactly like Obama's and that it didn't require a government takeover. (neither does Obama's plan) To that I say bullpucky because how they were for the individual mandate, yet against the government implementing I'm not quite sure about. Maybe Sliggin can explain that one to me.

Conservatives Run From the Individual Mandate They Once Embraced - John A. Farrell (usnews.com)

[firstdown]

Ok, now I get what your talking about. I don't know enough about what they had proposed back then and this article does not go into any details. That might be by design or a lazy author.