Campbell's numbers dont lie

[DBUCHANON101]

Are we really still comparing these guys?

[Chico23231]

Did anybody expect Sanchez to be probowler this season or lead his team to the playoffs? I think a fairer comparison would be to look a Sanchez after his second or third year...Cutler is a fair comparision

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Did anybody expect Sanchez to be probowler this season or lead his team to the playoffs? I think a fairer comparison would be to look a Sanchez after his second or third year...Cutler is a fair comparision

If we had drafted Sanchez, his putrid stats would be on our box scores. People were saying they wanted him over Campbell, so it's fair to compare them this season because he'd be our starter if we had made the stupid mistake to replace Campbell with him.

[MonkFan4Life]

So for all of JC's stats and all, is there EVER going to be a time that he hits Moss when he's wide the fuck open ?

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

So for all of JC's stats and all, is there EVER going to be a time that he hits Moss when he's wide the fuck open ?

Moss hasn't exactly been playing up to his abilities either...he's made some big drops and boneheaded plays this season. Most of the Redskins have not lost heart and drive, but Moss appears to be one of them who have, along with Landry. It's a shame, Santana has the game to be a huge contributor, but looks like he's slacking this season.

[MonkFan4Life]

Originally Posted by Buster

Moss hasn't exactly been playing up to his abilities either...he's made some big drops and boneheaded plays this season. Most of the Redskins have not lost heart and drive, but Moss appears to be one of them who have, along with Landry. It's a shame, Santana has the game to be a huge contributor, but looks like he's slacking this season.

A receiver cannot throw the ball to himself. I've seen Moss open and Jason either ignores or clearly misses him. I mean it's to a point when you can see Moss go free and you have no confidence that Campbell will hit him. You may, but I don't. The guy is a career back up IMO, nothing more.

I'm not even going to bring up the play before the fake punt field goal where Jason pump fakes to his right multiple times and neglects to see Todd Yoder running free down the middle of the field. Or the fact that they were running a cover 2 with the safeties covering the sidelines but Jason doesn't recognize it in time to hit Yoder. I mean the shit that other starting QB's do on a daily basis WITH or WITHOUT "Time" every Sunday.

[Ruhskins]

Here's my deal with Jason Campbell right now...

He's awfully inconsistent. Has a superb first drive in yesterday's game (which everyone seems to ignore) and had a horrible middle of the game, and a decent ending. He's a mediocre most of the time, average at best. He is no longer the QB of the future for this team and he's not going to be a Pro Bowler.

That being said, he's not going away anytime soon unless he a.) gets hurt or b.) has a TERRIBLE performance and gets benched (which already happened once). So really there is no point in bitching at him every single time he breathes. He is going to go away at the end of the season, either to the 2nd string or to another team.

[DBUCHANON101]

The biggest excuse for JC the past few yrs has been his changing of systems yet this whole thread is devoted to comparing him to 2 QB's who are each on a new team and in a new system. Wow.
Why waste the time and effort when its clear that he is gone after the season? IMO If Levi plays like he did yesterday that dooms JC even more because now DS and the FO can feel free to go after a bradford or another top QB in the draft instead of a top OT.
Yeah if you just look at the stats you will say he was solid but for those who saw the game they will tell you he made some plays and missed some big plays. Not what you want to see from a former 1st rounder,you expect him to make those throws.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

The biggest excuse for JC the past few yrs has been his changing of systems yet this whole thread is devoted to comparing him to 2 QB's who are each on a new team and in a new system. Wow.
Why waste the time and effort when its clear that he is gone after the season? IMO If Levi plays like he did yesterday that dooms JC even more because now DS and the FO can feel free to go after a bradford or another top QB in the draft instead of a top OT.
Yeah if you just look at the stats you will say he was solid but for those who saw the game they will tell you he made some plays and missed some big plays. Not what you want to see from a former 1st rounder,you expect him to make those throws.

I think the point of this thread is just to compare JC to those two other QBs that were supposed to replace him...and just that.

I don't think you are finding anyone that is saying he should be the QB of the future or that he's doing a good job or anything like that. Hell, I think at best he should be our backup next year because I don't trust Brennan as a backup.

I'm sure people like you would love for him to have terrible stats to feel better about your criticism...but just be content with the fact that Campbell will not be the starting QB of the Redskins in 2010 and that just about everyone agrees, ok?

[redsk1]

This boat has sailed. JC doesn't pass the eye test. Is this guy a good qb? No. You can watch and see it. He missed on alot yesterday. DT has a TD is the ball is there. SM has a touchdown if the ball is there. Sure, JC had some decent throws yesterday. He made some plays w/ his feet. I'm happy, but JC isn't the long term answer. Did you see Kyle Orton miss any TD's yesterday? Kyle Orton...maybe not even a top 20 NFL qb? Did he miss any throws?

Cutler had a tremendous year last year for being so young. Sanchez is a rookie so the jury is still out.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by redsk1

This boat has sailed. JC doesn't pass the eye test. Is this guy a good qb? No. You can watch and see it. He missed on alot yesterday. DT has a TD is the ball is there. SM has a touchdown if the ball is there. Sure, JC had some decent throws yesterday. He made some plays w/ his feet. I'm happy, but JC isn't the long term answer. Did you see Kyle Orton miss any TD's yesterday? Kyle Orton...maybe not even a top 20 NFL qb? Did he miss any throws?

Cutler had a tremendous year last year for being so young. Sanchez is a rookie so the jury is still out.

Who's saying he is?

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by redsk1

This boat has sailed. JC doesn't pass the eye test. Is this guy a good qb? No. You can watch and see it. He missed on alot yesterday. DT has a TD is the ball is there. SM has a touchdown if the ball is there. Sure, JC had some decent throws yesterday. He made some plays w/ his feet. I'm happy, but JC isn't the long term answer. Did you see Kyle Orton miss any TD's yesterday? Kyle Orton...maybe not even a top 20 NFL qb? Did he miss any throws?

Cutler had a tremendous year last year for being so young. Sanchez is a rookie so the jury is still out.

Orton - 61.1% completion
Campbell - 65.4% "


Just saying.

Orton was playing great before 'Rak got to him, better than JC I can admit.

But he did "miss" more throws than JC if we're looking at comp %.

We out-passed them as a team 214-185 (thanks, Hunter!) and out-rushed them 174-120.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by redsk1

This boat has sailed. JC doesn't pass the eye test. Is this guy a good qb? No. You can watch and see it. He missed on alot yesterday. DT has a TD is the ball is there. SM has a touchdown if the ball is there. Sure, JC had some decent throws yesterday. He made some plays w/ his feet. I'm happy, but JC isn't the long term answer. Did you see Kyle Orton miss any TD's yesterday? Kyle Orton...maybe not even a top 20 NFL qb? Did he miss any throws?

Cutler had a tremendous year last year for being so young. Sanchez is a rookie so the jury is still out.

Yes he did, remember the overthrow to Royal? That could have put the game out of reach.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Yes he did, remember the overthrow to Royal? That could have put the game out of reach.

At the game yesterday, upper deck...a couple beers in...I thought that was Simms in.

Nevertheless, Orton, who may not be a top 20 Nfl qb, didn't miss as much as JC yesterday.

JC is just not a franchise QB to build around. I like the guy, he's a good teamate, he just doesn't have it. We can all argue about the line, WR's, RB's, etc but he doesn't have it.

As i've said though, that doesn't mean he might not be the best option next year.

[Paintrain]

I think it's also worth noting that in the all important 'wins' category, Cutler and Sanchez have 4, Campbell 3 so for all of the 'bench JC and we'll start winning' crowd, the evidence really isn't there. Bottom line, as it was in the offseason, training camp and today, Campbell gives us the best chance to win each week.

Every observer of this team acknowledges that while JC is not playing at a high level and makes frustrating errors, he is far from the biggest problem on the offense. For example, Jim Zorn calling plays-13.1 PPG, Sherm Lewis calling plays-20.3 PPG. If we can get some consistent protection we may see even more improvement in Campbell's game.