Redskins Add WRs Pierre Garcon and Joshua Morgan

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 30gut

You wouldn't be relying on them as deep threats or 'explosive' players.
Moss is a move around guy at this point and his greatest production is from the slot.
Armstrong and Hankerson would be the 'vertical' WRs.
But, its all moot anyway.

The additions of Garcon and Morgan without a doubt improve the WRs corps.

I know, but I wasn't trying to argue that point.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I know, but I wasn't trying to argue that point.

Then I'm at a loss:

Originally Posted by Mattyk

When he was in his prime, sure. But he appears to be on the decline. More on the topic:

Redskins looking for more YAC? - NFC East Blog - ESPN

Maybe Moss is on the decline.
But the man broken his hand this year and still hand a relatively productive season.
The year prior he was top 10 in yards and receptions.
From 2008-2010 his YAC 5.5, 5.4, 5.4 then this year while playing through a broken hand it dropped to 4.4.
I don't see this year as a 'decline' year but as an injured year.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

And Gaffney isn't a big yards after the catch guy either. W

This is what it boils down to. YAC.


LOL @ Moss & Gaffney as deep threats. Needed that laugh today.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

This is what it boils down to. YAC.

Lets keep some perspective here.
Moss has always been one of the better YAC receivers.

[mbedner3420]

I hope we add Tommy Streeter to the roster and let him develop for a year or two.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by mbedner3420

I hope we add Tommy Streeter to the roster and let him develop for a year or two.

Would be nice to sign that guy and hide him for a year or 2.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I don't understand this line of thinking.. If we got better offensive linemen would that make Moss or Gaffney younger or more explosive after the catch? Would that make Armstrong more capable of beating press coverage? Would that make Austin or Paul or Robinson any better route runners or more prepared to play WR at the NFL level?

A 'better offensive line' probably gets a QB an extra .5 to .625 more of a second to throw than what we were trotting out there last year. Our offense isn't a 7 step, wait til someone gets open offense. It's based on timing rhythm and yards after the catch. Sure it could improve but it wouldn't make our WR any more skilled.

Outside of Hankerson (who we don't quite know yet what he can do over 16 games) the existing limitations of our current WR group is pretty clear..

Gaffney-Limited explosiveness, little to no deep speed, limited YAC
Moss-Less explosive than 2 yrs ago, no longer a deep threat, injuries, drops
Armstrong-Runs one route, can't get off the line, questionable hands at times
Austin-Hasn't developed beyond a #4 WR in 2 years, as a 7th rounder that's probably his cap
Paul-Needs to develop his route running and overall game, wasn't considered to be a threat for the top 2 spots in the WR rotation anyways.
Robinson-Has speed but needs a great camp to make the team as a PS player in '11 and a lower round draft pick.
Banks-Has the build of a 5th grader.

Exactly what was the problem in upgrading our worst (other than QB) overall position group?

Yeah this team needs playmakers And not every team has a Great oline, GB doesn't And they do just fine

[Ruhskins]

People need to understand that our WRs were not scaring anyone last year. Granted, that neither was Rex Grossman. However, our o-line problems last year were mostly due to these two factors.

No defense in the NFL was worried about having one of their corners one-on-one with our WRs, I would say that many of them dared us to throw b/c they knew that we didn't have a playmaker at wideout and that Rexy was good for a pick or two each game.

I feel that we've addressed these one of these issues in free agency with these wideouts, not to mention the potential we have in Hank and Davis. Now in the draft we will bring a signal caller that has good accuracy and will benefit from having a good wideout group to throw to. RG3 will very likely not hold the ball too long or be inaccurate, which have been the two mistakes that have been killing our o-line and QB play forever.

[MTK]

At 33, chances are Moss is on the decline. Not saying he can't still be a productive player, but he's no longer the explosive player he once was.

With Garçon, Morgan, Hankerson, and Davis we have a nice group of guys that can make things happen down the field and after the catch.

[vallin21]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

At 33, chances are Moss is on the decline. Not saying he can't still be a productive player, but he's no longer the explosive player he once was.

With Garçon, Morgan, Hankerson, and Davis we have a nice group of guys that can make things happen down the field and after the catch.

Which is why we tried to sign Royal as Moss's replacement, but didn't... And why (I beleive) we'll draft a slot WR/RS to replace Moss and Banks in the 4th or 5th round this year.

[Gary84Clark]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

At 33, chances are Moss is on the decline. Not saying he can't still be a productive player, but he's no longer the explosive player he once was.

With Garçon, Morgan, Hankerson, and Davis we have a nice group of guys that can make things happen down the field and after the catch.

No disrespect Matty but out of the group of receivers you mention in this post, Moss is the only proven home run threat. Defensive coordinators do not game plan for Garcon, but they had better account for Santana Moss when he is on the field.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

No disrespect Matty but out of the group of receivers you mention in this post, Moss is the only proven home run threat. Defensive coordinators do not game plan for Garcon, but they had better account for Santana Moss when he is on the field.

When was the last time Moss broke free for a long touchdown of over 50 yards? 2008 punt return against Detroit? Moss is no longer the speedy young wideout capable of taking the top off a defense, and all the drops he had last year indicate the game is catching up to him. If he was, the Redskins wouldn't have sought an upgrade at wideout.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by mooby

When was the last time Moss broke free for a long touchdown of over 50 yards? 2008 punt return against Detroit? Moss is no longer the speedy young wideout capable of taking the top off a defense, and all the drops he had last year indicate the game is catching up to him. If he was, the Redskins wouldn't have sought an upgrade at wideout.

2009 vs. Tampa Bay. A week after doing it in Detroit.

It's been about that long since Moss was a guy you design plays for.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

2009 vs. Tampa Bay. A week after doing it in Detroit.

It's been about that long since Moss was a guy you design plays for.

If nothing else, he should be an average possession receiver at this point in his career but I wouldn't even trust him to do that with all the drops he had last year. Sometimes it looked like he was just half assing it out there. Unless Griffin comes in and reignites the fire under his ass I don't see him being a #1 or even a #2 this season.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

2009 vs. Tampa Bay. A week after doing it in Detroit.

It's been about that long since Moss was a guy you design plays for.

If you'll recall, Moss caught a 49 yard TD last year vs New England. In 2010, according to NFL.com statistics, Moss caught a pass for 56 yards. Whether that went for a TD or not, I'm not certain.