WFT's Off-Season Thread

[Monkeydad]

While I'd love for BS to stick around long term, it really looks like we're being played by the same tactic Kirk Cousins used.

We're already paying too much for a Guard on the tag, and since he hasn't budged and signed long term, it appears he's bolting after this season.

So instead of overpaying for a Guard this year that we're losing anyways, I fully support getting something in return for him right now.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

While I'd love for BS to stick around long term, it really looks like we're being played by the same tactic Kirk Cousins used.

We're already paying too much for a Guard on the tag, and since he hasn't budged and signed long term, it appears he's bolting after this season.

So instead of overpaying for a Guard this year that we're losing anyways, I fully support getting something in return for him right now.

Except that everyone knows they can get him next year without giving up picks. There are very few teams going oh my God, if we just had that stud RG we would totally be SB contenders, we'd better trade the farm because that RG will put us over the top, for a player making $18M fully guaranteed with a 1 in 3 change of being healthy.

[EdmundDorf]

Looks like his salary this year is guaranteed, which is not great but maybe Miami ate some of the cost 🤔

[SunnySide]

From what Ive seen from Flowers .. he is not a mauler imo. Hes doesnt get great push off the line, doesnt have a great punch and doesnt get to the second level well. Only great Gs have those 3 traits so its not some huge knock on the guy ...

Hes an average player imo. A C+ player. What he has in physical abilities over Wes, Wes seems to have over him mentally.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

From what Ive seen from Flowers .. he is not a mauler imo. Hes doesnt get great push off the line, doesnt have a great punch and doesnt get to the second level well. Only great Gs have those 3 traits so its not some huge knock on the guy ...

Hes an average player imo. A C+ player. What he has in physical abilities over Wes, Wes seems to have over him mentally.

This is revisionist history. He played well for us.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

This is revisionist history. He played well for us.

He did, he played well enough but I think fans here over valued him bc we had low expectations and he managed to beat those low expectations. We expected a disaster and he played at a starter level and played better than Lauvaua who was a disaster.

We were all shocked when the Phins gave him 3/30 and were happy the Skins didnt match that.

Now Phins fans are happy to get some cap space back with this trade.

Flowers is a C+ player imo. Nothing wrong with that .... if he was making 4-5M and we didnt already have a C+ guard in Wes making 5M ... on top of the other guard making 18M.

[KI Skins Fan]

Since the WFT hasn't been able to sign Sherff long-term, they may plan to trade him as part of the package to move up and pick a QB in the draft. That may be the elephant in the room. Also, regarding Flowers, $18M - $10M = $8M saved. Oh my Goodness, could it be about the money - again?!

[CRedskinsRule]

By the time i post this they will probably announce what the swap is.

But here are Miami's picks and ours this year:
Miami-
Round 3:*No. 81

Round 5:*No. 156 (from Cowboys through Eagles)

Round 7:*Nos. 231 (from Texans), 258 (from Chiefs)


WFT-
Round 3:*Nos. 74 (from 49ers), 82

Round 4:*No. 124

Round 5:*No. 163

Round 7:*Nos. 244 (from Vegas), 246

Assuming Miami benefits from dumping cap, what is 8M cap relief worth?
We get 156 they get 163? 244?
The way the two teams picks line up I don't see many options. Though I would love if we got 81 and they got 124!!!

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[BaltimoreSkins]

I am not sure what the big deal is with the amount of money tied into guard. It is a lot but we have the cap space this year might as well use it. Plus both BS and EF are likely gone after this year. I really don't see them picking up 2022 on Flowers unless they view him as BS replacement next year,

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I am not sure what the big deal is with the amount of money tied into guard. It is a lot but we have the cap space this year might as well use it. Plus both BS and EF are likely gone after this year. I really don't see them picking up 2022 on Flowers unless they view him as BS replacement next year,

This.. It's comical how some people act as if it's their own money or the contracts are preventing WFT from signing more players. As long as it doesn't hinder the team's ability to sign FA players, who cares?

[MTK]

Maybe the plan is to move Scherff, or finally sign him to a LTD, or cut other guys, I dunno. Either way I could care less about the $$. Until we see the final plan come together I'll hold off on saying we spent too much at guard or not.

[ArizonaSkinFan]

Could be missing something but doesn't this mean we will probably not sign an OL at 19?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by ArizonaSkinFan

Could be missing something but doesn't this mean we will probably not sign an OL at 19?

We need a LT which could be the 19th pick. Flowers is LG.

[MTK]

for the accountants here

@Adam Schefter
To make his trade to Washington from Miami official, OL Ereck Flowers restructured his contract whereby the Dolphins will pay $6 million in a signing bonus and Washington will pay a $3 million base salary, giving Flowers $9M fully guaranteed this year, per @DrewJRosenhaus

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by MTK

for the accountants here

@Adam Schefter
To make his trade to Washington from Miami official, OL Ereck Flowers restructured his contract whereby the Dolphins will pay $6 million in a signing bonus and Washington will pay a $3 million base salary, giving Flowers $9M fully guaranteed this year, per @DrewJRosenhaus

Hmmm so I guess we didn't tie up much financially in acquiring him. This changes a lot of the conjecture about how much we have tied up in the interior line.