QB or defense: what's the bigger problem?

[SmootSmack]

What makes a quarterback a "Franchise QB"? Is there some definition?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

What makes a quarterback a "Franchise QB"? Is there some definition?

i guess someone who can keep you in games and doesn't make a ton of stupid mistakes, can make all the throws, and can make something out of nothing every so often. starting young is another part of it, since you have to be around a while playing at a high level relative to league average.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by That Guy

i guess someone who can keep you in games and doesn't make a ton of stupid mistakes, can make all the throws, and can make something out of nothing every so often. starting young is another part of it, since you have to be around a while playing at a high level relative to league average.

This is a pretty good representation of a franchise quarterback. Also, being on the team for five plus seasons, without any chance of a quarterback controversy.

As far as the bigger problem, it's definitely the defense. Quarterback is a big problem, but at least there's options with that situation. The defense on the other hand, has far too many holes. The defensive backs are beat up, and Archuleta is a liability in coverage. The sad part is they're probably the best tacklers on the defense. Outside of Marcus Washington, the linebackers are garbage. Holdman can't tackle a a pillow, and I don't care how good Marshall is at calling the defense. He's almost completely ineffective without Griffin and Salave'a in front of him. The line hasn't been able to generate a pass rush in six seasons, but according to many people here, that's the scheme. The scheme must be flawed too, because it seems like even when they rush eight people, every single one of them gets picked up...

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

What makes a quarterback a "Franchise QB"? Is there some definition?

http://archive.profootballweekly.com...ges/jelway.jpg

case closed.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

http://archive.profootballweekly.com...ges/jelway.jpg

case closed.

Um thanks. Does anyone else have a clearer definition? And I loved Joey T when he was playing here, but is he really a franchise qb? Not that I even know what franchise qb means anyway

[djnemo65]

This thread misses the point. We can't do anything about our defense other than hope they get better. At QB, we at least have options.

[#56fanatic]

DEFENSE!! We managed to win some games down the stretch with less than par play from the QB last year. Defense is by far our biggest problem. Hopefully this bye week will help get some people healthy, and help some people LEARN the defense. (Arch!!) I just go back to when Taylor was injured a game or two last year and see how teams take advantage of us deep. They are doing the same thing with Arch, but he is healthy!! If he can start to play knowledgable football, i think it will make a big difference. Springs should come back after the bye week almost 100%, rogers back, Griffin back, Joe back. We should have everyone back and healthy and get back to our aggressive attacking D.

[Gmanc711]

Well.....

I think I have to go defense. QB is a huge huge problem, but if our defense was playing like it had been the past two years, I think we are 4-3 right now at least, with wins over Minnesota and Tenn, even with Brunell playing the quarterback position. So in the grand scheme of things, the defense is a much bigger problem....

But QB is still a pretty damn big problem.

[BDBohnzie]

Doesn't matter much now. Gibbs came out and said he doesn't see fit to make a change yet. So we have to wait for the defense to heal and step it up.

[onlydarksets]

Geez - maybe Gibbs saw the poll results of this thread, and took our suggestion!

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

In the Colts, Giants, Cowboys, and Vikings games, the offense scored a total of 37 points, or about 9 points per game. Against NFC East opponents in two games, our offense has failed to score a touchdown and scored a whopping total of 6 points, or 3 points per game.

The defense is certainly awful and they are in a horrible state, but please don't act like Brunell is leading a good offense or the team would be running away with tons of wins if our defense could just get its act together. I don't care what Brunell's rating is, how many yards per play we are averaging, or any of those other meaningless stats. I care about how many points the defense is allowing and how many points the offense is scoring. The bottom line is that the offense isn't scoring squat and the defense is letting opponents score at will.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

In the Colts, Giants, Cowboys, and Vikings games, the offense scored a total of 37 points, or about 9 points per game. Against NFC East opponents in two games, our offense has failed to score a touchdown and scored a whopping total of 6 points, or 3 points per game.

The defense is certainly awful and they are in a horrible state, but please don't act like Brunell is leading a good offense or the team would be running away with tons of wins if our defense could just get its act together. I don't care what Brunell's rating is, how many yards per play we are averaging, or any of those other meaningless stats. I care about how many points the defense is allowing and how many points the offense is scoring. The bottom line is that the offense isn't scoring squat and the defense is letting opponents score at will.

How many times have we been in the red zone this year? Just curious.

Anyhow, the problems lie across the board. I think the bigger surprise though is the defense. Injuries and underachieving have unraveled that unit.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

How many times have we been in the red zone this year? Just curious.

Anyhow, the problems lie across the board. I think the bigger surprise though is the defense. Injuries and underachieving have unraveled that unit.

The defense's struggles are definately more suprising than the offense's given its performance in years past. The defense's woes, however, are more understandable given the rash of injuries. Moreover, the offense has more playmakers than the defense. Any offense with Portis, Cooley, Moss, ARE, and Lloyd as their weapons should be dynamic and this one simply isn't. Go figure.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

In the Colts, Giants, Cowboys, and Vikings games, the offense scored a total of 37 points, or about 9 points per game. Against NFC East opponents in two games, our offense has failed to score a touchdown and scored a whopping total of 6 points, or 3 points per game.

The defense is certainly awful and they are in a horrible state, but please don't act like Brunell is leading a good offense or the team would be running away with tons of wins if our defense could just get its act together. I don't care what Brunell's rating is, how many yards per play we are averaging, or any of those other meaningless stats. I care about how many points the defense is allowing and how many points the offense is scoring. The bottom line is that the offense isn't scoring squat and the defense is letting opponents score at will.

Thank you. Blaming the defense for Brunell's inability to put points on the board is tired. Sure, if the defense hold the Vikings and Titans to one less score each, that'd be two more wins. God forbid Brunell has to lead one more scoring drive in each of those two games for two more wins. That's not his job or anything...

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Thank you. Blaming the defense for Brunell's inability to put points on the board is tired.

Almost as tired as blaming Brunell for not keeping the defense off the field all game long.

Is it too much to ask the D to come up with a few 3 and outs or maybe a turnover? How about not giving up a score on every opening drive? Or giving up 3 TDs in one quarter?

We can't win with this defense, I don't care if we had McNabb or Manning. Even those guys can't win shootouts week in and week out.