How will you feel if its Collins instead of Campbell?

[61cad]

Originally Posted by illdefined

i would like nothing more. whole point is that its overdue. a lot of those young QBs you mentioned stayed sat because the vets in front of them were producing, or were at least being competitive. the same can't be said about our situation.

Brunell produced last year.... Well kind of. OK, he won games.

But he's getting old and who is to say that last years was the best year the Skins will ever have out of him.

This offense is broken and needs to be fixed. To fix a car you put in new parts. At this point what the hell could it hurt?

Brunells feelings?

Who cares about that?

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by illdefined

i would like nothing more. whole point is that its overdue. a lot of those young QBs you mentioned stayed sat because the vets in front of them were producing, or were at least being competitive. the same can't be said about our situation.

The same can't be said about our situation now, because we're obviously 3-6 and sinking deeper and deeper into the quicksand. But, a year ago, we did make the playoffs and appeared (for the most part) to be on the right track. In my opinion, the only changes that we should have made were the additions of BL and ARE....but that's beside the point. The point is, there were high expectations from everybody for this team to not only make the playoffs, but to make a serious run for the Super Bowl. Brunell should have had a better year just for the fact that he had more than Moss to throw to now. There was no reason prior to this season, and even after our slow start, to assume that keeping Brunell in was a bad idea. While I contend that there are more problems that are contributing to our downward spiral, switching the QB has not been the answer until now.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

The same can't be said about our situation now, because we're obviously 3-6 and sinking deeper and deeper into the quicksand. But, a year ago, we did make the playoffs and appeared (for the most part) to be on the right track. In my opinion, the only changes that we should have made were the additions of BL and ARE....but that's beside the point. The point is, there were high expectations from everybody for this team to not only make the playoffs, but to make a serious run for the Super Bowl. Brunell should have had a better year just for the fact that he had more than Moss to throw to now. There was no reason prior to this season, and even after our slow start, to assume that keeping Brunell in was a bad idea. While I contend that there are more problems that are contributing to our downward spiral, switching the QB has not been the answer until now.

ok now we're in complete agreement, almost. while i do see why we started with Brunell this season, he definitely earned it last year with his solid performance - i think it was more than apparent that our defense wasn't the same and Brunell couldn't even try and make up that difference alot earlier than week 10.

you do seem to recognize that it's actually called for by now, but do you really think it'll happen now?

[memphisskin]

If Collins starts instead of Campbell, I will take it to mean that Gibbs is trying to save the season. It would also mean that JC as "co-#2 qb" was a farce. I would be devastated, it would mean that we traded three potential starters (the three high picks we sent to Denver) for a backup qb that the coaching staff doesn't want to play.

So if Brunell gives us the best chance to win, does playing Campbell give us at least a better shot at not losing?

[70chip13083]

Again, our season is done. We need to know what Campbell is capable of period? What would be the upside of starting Collins? Anyone?

[Hog1]

Dang me, Matty had to go spoil it with book lernin', and cyphers

[Redskins_P]

Its obvious that Gibbs loves his veteran QB's . Its been that way ever since he came to DC. I don't know why people are so surprised/outraged that he hasn't started Campbell. I mean, I want Campbell to play too, but I know how Gibbs is and we'll just have to play the waiting game. Does it suck? Yes. Do we get anything out of complaining about in every f-ing thread? No. Best thing to do is wait and see. At this point, it doesn't really matter who's under center because the problem is a team problem...not just one player.

Trust me, I want Campbell just as bad as the next guy, but we have to be realistic and wait for Gibbs to make that decision. Thats all we can do.

[gibbs4life]

ok todd collins would be the next best thing to happen it DC...
of course i,m joking campbell needs to be in there and learn and so we can see what he is made of ,hes,s our future...he,s pretty damn good at the clip board thing let me tell ya..

[Chief X_Phackter]

I would feel CHEATED and I may just throw up! JC had better see extensive playing time for the rest of the season or Gibbs needs to go back to racing, and leave football behind.

[Drift Reality]

Originally Posted by Warpath

I've heard and read many different places that JC might not be completely ready to step in. Remember what happened with Ramsey? He was shoved in there and had NO chance. He lost all his confindence and has been damaged goods ev er since. My question to the board is, How will you feel if Todd Collins is named the starter instead of JC?

There was a recent interview with Barack Obama, where he was posed with the question of whether or not he would be fully ready to be president if he were elected.

His response was that no one is fully ready to be president until they are in office. They are presented with the situation and either they succeed or they fail.

My opinion on Campbell is this: enough hand-holding. If he is going to be a starting quarterback in this league, he needs to be tough enough to enter the fray and prove it.

Honestly, I don't know what they are waiting for at this point in time? Its not like this guy is some child who can't even wipe his own ass. This guy is a 24 or 25 year old professional athlete.

[dall-assblows]

that would be the most retarded thing ever. the future is now as george allen would say.

[Big C]

im just ready for a change now. atleast saunders trusts collins

[Daseal]

Great game was an overstatement certainly, but he played in an equal capacity to Brunell. Ramsey is ramsey, he'll throw more INTs than Brunell (but Brunell will make that up in fumbles) and when our defense was playing like it was, you could afford more turnovers if you moved the ball.

Plus, I don't consider 1 quarter much of a chance to prove yourself.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Great game was an overstatement certainly, but he played in an equal capacity to Brunell. Ramsey is ramsey, he'll throw more INTs than Brunell (but Brunell will make that up in fumbles) and when our defense was playing like it was, you could afford more turnovers if you moved the ball.

Plus, I don't consider 1 quarter much of a chance to prove yourself.

Great, good, solid... none of those terms fit when describing his performance that day. The fact is he played like shit. 1 INT and 2 fumbles in 1 quarter and people describe that as playing well? Please, that's just insanely ridiculous.

Brunell came in and didn't play great or good, but he was solid enough to help contribute to the win.

I'm not going to even argue about this "he only had 1 quarter to prove himself" nonsense. If you really believe the decision to bench him was made on that 1 quarter of football you are insane.

[skinsguy]

Why are we even discussing Patrick Ramsey?