No progress in Derrick Dockery Negotiations....

[70Chip]

Here's the problem with Dockery. Yes he played great last year and was blowing people up all over the field, but why did he wait until this year to do it? Because his contract was up. He should have been playing like that from the opening bell. Instead he took it easy the first few years which is what he is most likely to do again if he is rewarded with a huge contract.

We should make an offer based on his entire career which would put him somewhere in the middle and if some other team wants to pay more which they most certainly will and he wants to go someplace where he will have to pass protect 35 times or more a game then he can leave. If he wants to stay here he will make less but he gets to mash people 40 times a game and pass protect maybe 20. The choice is his more than it is the Redskins. That's how I would play it.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

Here's the problem with Dockery. Yes he played great last year and was blowing people up all over the field, but why did he wait until this year to do it? Because his contract was up. He should have been playing like that from the opening bell. Instead he took it easy the first few years which is what he is most likely to do again if he is rewarded with a huge contract.

I really disagree.

He's gotten his weight down and improved his technique and he finally blossomed. I really don't think he was just waiting for his contract year to play well.

[dmek25]

now lets play your the skins. do you want dockery back at those kind of numbers? 6 million per, with a 10 million dollar signing bonus?

[redsk1]

You know, i think this situation has alot more to do the "morale" of the team more than just getting Dock back. To explain, i think we most likely could get a FA to come in and perform pretty well. But, with the line playing so well and our tendancy to overpay FA's and let some "core" guys go i think this is very important. I do think Dock is a good olineman and will get better too. They need to get this done. And yes, i wouldn't blame him for looking for a payday. We pay everyone else.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

That's exactly my worry too.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

We could have had two thousand yard backs if Portis stayed healthy. We were tops in the league in sacks allowed, why is everyone so great with letting a piece of this great line walk out the door?

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

We could have had two thousand yard backs if Portis stayed healthy. We were tops in the league in sacks allowed, why is everyone so great with letting a piece of this great line walk out the door?

I'm not cool with it. I wouldn't be cool with letting Raubach go. In fact, alone, he's probably an average center, but within the context of the unit, his value is much more. And this is the hard lesson we're learning at Redskins Park. A player isn't just a player. Yes, all by himself anyone is tradeable, but the real question how much value does this guy hold on Sunday?

I'm with you TMC, D.Dock has to stay.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

We could have had two thousand yard backs if Portis stayed healthy. We were tops in the league in sacks allowed, why is everyone so great with letting a piece of this great line walk out the door?

Good as it is, it could be bettered.

I think bringing Dockery back is the most logical way to go, but Steinbach's a better guard, and in many cases Dockery's inability to pull effectively has indicated that maybe he isn't built for our running style.

What I don't want to see happen is for us to give Steinbach a deal like we gave Archuleta or Carter this offseason. Don't inflate the signing bonus. If you are going to overpay, you might as well keep Dockery and not overpay. We have a month with Dock staying in house to get a reasonable deal done, if it can't get done in that time, better start looking to replace him.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Good as it is, it could be bettered.

I think bringing Dockery back is the most logical way to go, but Steinbach's a better guard, and in many cases Dockery's inability to pull effectively has indicated that maybe he isn't built for our running style.

What I don't want to see happen is for us to give Steinbach a deal like we gave Archuleta or Carter this offseason. Don't inflate the signing bonus. If you are going to overpay, you might as well keep Dockery and not overpay. We have a month with Dock staying in house to get a reasonable deal done, if it can't get done in that time, better start looking to replace him.

Why do you say Steinbach is better? And does that mean he's better here within our system?

I just don't buy the whole "this player or that player is better" theory anymore. Unless we're talking bona-fide superstar, without exception. I think any potential upgrade is a 50/50 proposition. I think first and foremost, it takes a year or more to adjust to a new system, locker room and so forth. Then the player can find his groove, so to speak.

If anyone should know this by now, it's the Redskins.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Good as it is, it could be bettered.

I think bringing Dockery back is the most logical way to go, but Steinbach's a better guard, and in many cases Dockery's inability to pull effectively has indicated that maybe he isn't built for our running style.

What I don't want to see happen is for us to give Steinbach a deal like we gave Archuleta or Carter this offseason. Don't inflate the signing bonus. If you are going to overpay, you might as well keep Dockery and not overpay. We have a month with Dock staying in house to get a reasonable deal done, if it can't get done in that time, better start looking to replace him.

Sure it could be, but I don't want that at the cost of maintaining our already established precedent of overpaying as you mentioned. If Dock leaves and we bring in someone at a decent contract, then fine. I just don't see how that's going to happen. It is going to take four to five years of fiscal responsibility to right this ship as far as people coming here to get paid go.

[MTK]

Steinbach will come at a higher price than Dockery.

I'd rather see us keep Dock mainly for the issue of continuity... plus he had a pretty damn good season last year.

[Hog1]

I personally would rather keep Doc, but not at an outrageous price. It makes sense from a continuity standpoint that we need him to stay.

A case can be made to let him walk and plug in the next guy. The Patriots live by it. We are not necessarliy the Pat's, but is that the direction we want to go?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Hog1

A case can be made to let him walk and plug in the next guy. The Patriots live by it. We are not necessarliy the Pat's, but is that the direction we want to go?

that only works if you have a good GM or scouting department.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by That Guy

that only works if you have a good GM or scouting department.

I would agree. Hence, a case "can" be made

[vaoutlaws2006]

to be honest is resigning doc the highest priority the skins have? to me they have overlooked the biggest hole in the organization...no gm.