Is Russell really better than Quinn?

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It is really scary to think about Brady with 20 more starts though...really scary.

I had 60 plus starts if you count the sandlot. I am the next Dan Marino! Woooo Hooooooo!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by angryssg

I had 60 plus starts if you count the sandlot. I am the next Dan Marino! Woooo Hooooooo!

Show us what you got, brother!

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Didn't Tom Brady only start like 25 games in his Michigan career? He was backing up Griese the first couple of years wasn't he?

Other QB's have had similar college starts as Brady. This analogy goes both ways. What about Matt Hassleback? I would consider him a top ten QB. I don't know his college stats but I know his ass was a late round pick.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

GTripp, I think you are making too big a deal out of these starts. Player's like Peyton Manning and Donovan McNabb aren't good because they started a bunch of games, they started a bunch of games because they were good. Several of the top quarterbacks in the league came from situations where they were good enough to secure the starting position at an early age. Fine, you would expect that with their kind of talent. But if you think that those starts are the reason they are succesful you are underestimating the importance of talent.

Let me put it this way. If Peyton Manning had been behind a superior upper classman for his first couple years at Tennessee would he be less of a pro today? I can guess your answer, and I strongly disagree.

"Player's like Peyton Manning and Donovan McNabb aren't good because they started a bunch of games, they started a bunch of games because they were good." Well, yeah, of course. But the experience from college made them better pro prospects than they would have been.

I'm not underestimating the importance of talent at all. If anything, I'm being elitest about what it takes to be a successful QB in the NFL.

#1 it takes a special breed of player (nature theory)
#2 it takes an adequate amount of preparation (nurture theory)

I think you need to be both a #1 and a #2 to have a successful NFL career at QB.

If you aren't a #1 physically and mentally by the time you get to college, you will probably never be a #1. Only a few guys fit the bill. Most of these guys get noticed as first rounders, but the guys like Bulger, Hasselbeck, Brunell, and Brady fall into this category also.

To be the best you can be, you need to get all the experience you can in college. And I do believe you will be less of an NFL player if you skimp on the college experience. But all the experience in the world isn't going to help if you aren't the special breed of player that puts you in group #1.

And I believe Russell is a #1. But he will never be a #2 and mediocre may be the best he can hope for.

There are only a handful of college guys who are No. 1's and because of the propensity for guys to leave early, there ends up being even less successful NFL QBs.

[KLHJ2]

http://www.michiganfansite.com/playe...p?playerid=205

Henson beat out Brady when he was only a Freshman.
Griese was before them both. Brady was there before Henson, but stayed there longer. Henson chose Baseball.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by angryssg

http://www.michiganfansite.com/playe...p?playerid=205

Henson beat out Brady when he was only a Freshman.
Griese was before them both. Brady was there before Henson, but stayed there longer. Henson chose Baseball.

Thanks

[GTripp0012]

From Profootballtalk:

QUINN IN THE MIX FOR NO. 1 PICK

A league source tells us that the Raiders aren't talking only to quarterback JaMarcus Russell and receiver Calvin Johnson about a contract at the No. 1 slot in the draft.

Per the source, discussions are also being conducted with the representatives of quarterback Brady Quinn.

It's still unclear whether the Raiders are presently leaning toward any one of the three guys. One league insider believes that Quinn is in the mix solely for negotiating leverage. But the source also says that he wouldn't be shocked if the Raiders take Quinn instead of Russell.

"They're taking a quarterback," predicted the source.

We still think Johnson is the safest bet. But what the hell do we know?

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And with 4 days to go, the first pick is as much of a coinflip as I thought it would be 4 months ago.

We just need some sort of three-sided coin.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Since we are on a one year plan, neither one of these guys is worth a pick.