In Gus I Trust

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by Buster

So the agent gave him the cocaine? Uh huh...

No, but he did make him believe he was the second coming of Walter Payton. He gave him very shitty advice.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

No, but he did make him believe he was the second coming of Walter Payton. He gave him very shitty advice.

That's an agent's job...to inflate his clients' values and get them paid more than they're worth.

[MTK]

It will always be a case of could have, should have, and would have with Ramsey. The fact that some people still think Gus could have been something special makes me think the same will be true for Ramsey. The reality is he's just not what he all hoped he was going to be.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

It will always be a case of could have, should have, and would have with Ramsey. The fact that some people still think Gus could have been something special makes me think the same will be true for Ramsey. The reality is he's just not what he all hoped he was going to be.

There are NFL teams who are starting QBs worse than Patrick Ramsey (i.e. Carolina, Oakland, Buffalo, Cleveland pre-Quinn), so its not like he was a total bust.

There were just better QBs out there for the Washington Redskins, and Gibbs made sure to get a pair.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

There are NFL teams who are starting QBs worse than Patrick Ramsey (i.e. Carolina, Oakland, Buffalo, Cleveland pre-Quinn), so its not like he was a total bust.

There were just better QBs out there for the Washington Redskins, and Gibbs made sure to get a pair.

So why have teams in need of a starter not made any plays for him? First he went to NY where their QB situation was shaky but has now solidified, and now he moves on to Denver where he's very unlikely to see any time unless it's due to injury.

I guess it depends on what your definition of total bust is, but a first rounder who now appears to be a career backup smells of a bust to me.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

So why have teams in need of a starter not made any plays for him? First he went to NY where their QB situation was shaky but has now solidified, and now he moves on to Denver where he's very unlikely to see any time unless it's due to injury.

Because nobody in football knows anything about anything. Nobody wants to disrupt the cohesion and chemistry (and the subsequent losing) that their a bad QB brings.

And of course, if they did decide it was time for an upgrade, they'd probably shoot higher than Patrick Ramsey. Thus, a bunch of horrible QBs go in the first round, and bad teams stay bad.

Patrick Ramsey is worth about one more win over the course of an entire 16 game season than, say, Rex Grossman for example. But if you are the Bears, does it really make a lot of sense to cut Grossman and bring in Ramsey when you could have drafted a QB instead? It makes you look indecisive as a franchise and it seems that football execs would MUCH rather be seen as wrong than as indecisive.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Because nobody in football knows anything about anything. Nobody wants to disrupt the cohesion and chemistry (and the subsequent losing) that their a bad QB brings.

And of course, if they did decide it was time for an upgrade, they'd probably shoot higher than Patrick Ramsey. Thus, a bunch of horrible QBs go in the first round, and bad teams stay bad.

Patrick Ramsey is worth about one more win over the course of an entire 16 game season than, say, Rex Grossman for example. But if you are the Bears, does it really make a lot of sense to cut Grossman and bring in Ramsey when you could have drafted a QB instead? It makes you look indecisive as a franchise and it seems that football execs would MUCH rather be seen as wrong than as indecisive.

I'm really lost as to what you're trying to say here but I'll respond anyway.

Teams should make moves to improve their team. If you have a starting caliber QB sitting on a bench somewhere, why would you not want to bring him in, especially a younger guy like Ramsey who already has some starting experience??

Hell, Matt Schaub is a lot less proven than Ramsey at the NFL level and he's been handed a starting gig and the Texans went and cut Carr to clear the position for him. Does that make them indecisive because they decided that Carr wasn't cutting it and they would rather take their chances on Schaub?

If I were the Bears and I decided Grossman wasn't the answer, I sure as hell would try to make a move rather than worrying about how that move would be perceived.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I guess it depends on what your definition of total bust is, but a first rounder who now appears to be a career backup smells of a bust to me.

32nd overall pick.

I mean, the Skins pretty much got the value of the pick in the player they selected. History shows that rarely will more than 2 QBs come out of a draft that are going to be very good. The Redskins took a QB at 32, and generally, if you can get a average or slightly below average starter out of the pick (Ramsey in a nutshell), you've gotten the value.

He's a tad better than Carr was, and infinately better than Harrington.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

32nd overall pick.

I mean, the Skins pretty much got the value of the pick in the player they selected. History shows that rarely will more than 2 QBs come out of a draft that are going to be very good. The Redskins took a QB at 32, and generally, if you can get a average or slightly below average starter out of the pick (Ramsey in a nutshell), you've gotten the value.

He's a tad better than Carr was, and infinately better than Harrington.

32nd overall still = first round pick. Something tells me when he was drafted the Skins weren't banking on getting an average or below average player.

Is he really that much better than Harrington?

I don't think very highly of either, but I just don't see that much of a difference.

[MTK]

Or maybe Ramsey just isn't very highly regarding by personnel evaluators in the league? I find it hard to believe if someone felt he was starting material, he would be riding the bench like he has been the past few years and will seemingly only continue to do so in the near future.

[skinsfan69]

Ramsey, E. Manning, Kitna, Grossman, Delhomme, Cleveland QB's, Carr and many other NFL QB's are just not difference makers. You probably have 6-8 NFL QB's ( P. Manning, Brady, Brees, Palmer Bulger, McNabb, maybe Hassleback) that are really difference makers. The rest of the guys are either too young or just average/good players. I just think right now the NFL does not have a lot of good NFL QB's. Ramsey is no better than Grossman or Grossman is not better than Delhomme and so on and so on.

[MTK]

Grossman not better than Delhomme??

Delhomme is pretty solid, certainly much better than Grossman at this point.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Grossman not better than Delhomme??

Delhomme is pretty solid, certainly much better than Grossman at this point.

I don't think it's a big difference. They are in the same ballpark if you ask me. Both turn it over a little too much and are streaky passers.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Grossman not better than Delhomme??

Delhomme is pretty solid, certainly much better than Grossman at this point.

I agree, but I do think Rex has a lot of growth left in him and if Lovey sticks with him he will be rewarded.

[MTK]

I agree both are streaky but I think Delhomme is more proven at this point and even his worst seasons are better than what Grossman did last year.