Should Joe Gibbs be let go or retire?

[flashalexb]

I think that Portis is so worried about fumbling that he is hesitant to do some of the things he used to do that made him an elite back. Hopefully he watched film and took notes on how Willis McGahee played against the Patriots. Down Hill running

[EternalEnigma21]

I could be wrong, but...

JG is not an idiot. He's seen what's been going on here the last decade or so and he's familiar with the owner. Id be willing to bet that Snyder has an arrangement with Gibbs that he won't be fired for performance. That would be a pr nightmare on both sides, and if you detach yourself from the situation, would it even make sense for snyder to let him walk at this point? Starting over with a new coach and a new system doesn't sound like a great season, and we've won alot more football with joe than without him...

[sandtrapjack]

If it was anyone else but Joe Gibbs, that coach would be gone at seasons end.

26-34 is not a great record. It is a 43% winning percentage. In his first season back we knew thier would be growing pains. The play clock got shorter since he retired, and it showed that he was not familiar with that.

He still likes big power backs that will eat up clock. Nothing wrong with that, but the rules changed while he was gone and the vertical game is really encouraged because of the rules. He is predictable, especially insode the 20.

Then we figured after 2 or 3 years, we would have the "Old Gibbs" back in form and punishing opposing teams and winning championships.

But as evidence from the Buffalo game, he has proven that he still has not caught up to the NFL since he retired. He did not know about the 10 men on defense as a tribute to Taylor. His defense did, his defensive coordinator did. Problem was no one communicated it to the head coach. He does not have control of his team.

He is a head coach in the NFL! It was an EMBARASSMENT to the team when he called that second consecutive timeout, hell even I knew that rule. That move only further questions his grasp of the game. This is the type of call he should have been re-adjusted to since returning.

But he left football before free agency, before the salary cap. Draft picks were traded and millions of salary cap dollars were spent providing him with what he said he needed for a winner. High price talent, and very little youth.

Now the team could be facing serious cap issues, and not enough draft picks for the future. If he does leave, his replacement may have very little to work with.

I think Gibbs needs to leave before his legacy is tarnished more than it already is.

[MTK]

Personally I don't think it was a big deal that Gibbs didn't know about the 10 men salute to Taylor. According to what I've read it was something that wasn't finalized until the night before the game. GW pretty much has full autonomy over the defense, so if he felt it wasn't critical to communicate this to Gibbs... who the F cares?

But I guess if you want to pile on...

[Cowell]

Honestly I think Gibbs should retire to keep some dignity. I know there are plenty of people who never want to see Gibbs leave and if anyone brings anti-Gibbs propaganda near them they put a wall up and don't listen but the bottom line is he just doesen't cut it. I know what he has done for this franchise but what has he done recently? Would you guys like him to stay here and just keep watching this team lose just because what he did 20 years ago?

[70Chip]

I'm not convinced that the red zone problems are necessarily due to the plays that are being called. When you get down there, especially inside the 10, the windows are tighter and the amount of time you have to get rid of the ball is less. Defenses are not going to allow you sit there for 4 or 5 seconds and scan the endzone. I think Campbell needs to make quicker reads.

Also, SmootSmack was talking about the differences between now and 2005 as far as red zone efficiency goes and I think a play that we used a lot that year that is a real help in opening things up is that halfback pass. I think they ran that just about every game down the stretch that season. Even if it doesn't connect, it forces the dbs to play more cautious and opens up the run. I think that if Gibbs were having a big say in the red zone we would be seeing more of that particular play.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Personally I don't think it was a big deal that Gibbs didn't know about the 10 men salute to Taylor. According to what I've read it was something that wasn't finalized until the night before the game. GW pretty much has full autonomy over the defense, so if he felt it wasn't critical to communicate this to Gibbs... who the F cares?

But I guess if you want to pile on...

No one wants to "pile on".

Who the F cares? Nothing should happen on the field of play during a regular season game without the head coaches knowledge. He has to have full comprehension of what to expect each play of the game.

With that type of thinking it only lends credence that Gibbs is simply a sideline figurehead and that Williams and Saunders are making the decisions, and Gibbs is supposed to roam the sidelines in his HOF jacket for show.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by flashalexb

An article by CBS sportsline that talks about their oppinions on Joe Gibbs.

National Football League - CBSSports.com

They bring up some valid points.

No they don't,look I realize this is not my team and I'm a visitor but as I said on and other thread I'll give you Coughlin and we'll take Gibbs in a heartbeat!!!

[Jesse E. Timmons]

he shouldnt even be on the sideline for the bears game. hopefully little dan will promote gregg williams (who will actually yell at a player, and not say they played their guts out), instead of going elsewhere for a coach.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Jesse E. Timmons

he shouldnt even be on the sideline for the bears game. hopefully little dan will promote gregg williams (who will actually yell at a player, and not say they played their guts out), instead of going elsewhere for a coach.

???

[#56fanatic]

yes, it is time for Joe to go. The team is in its 3rd losing season in 4 years. WE have not progressed at all since he came here. we are the same organization we were before he got here. Over pay FA, fail to pay OUR draft picks, trade away picks like they are poison. He has not even progressed, forget the team. he still makes the same mistakes. Clock management, conservative game planning. He always says he doesnt live on past success, well that is exactly why he is still here. Danny will not fire him, so Joe will have to step down. Frankly, I dont want him moving into a VP position either. He is not a talent evaluator. He is a coach. Look at how he has built this team. He has small speed receivers (remember the smurfs?) a speed running back, athletic TE. This team is actually built for a spread it out offense throw it more than run it type game plan. Not the ball control stuff Joe likes to play. I realize the last few weeks we have started throwing the ball more, but I am looking at an overall thing here. Plus, losing 6 games this year when having a 4th quarter lead!! that is on the coach. Players have to play, but when you are sitting on the ball and giving other teams opportunities to win at the end, you will probably come up short majority of the time. Nothing has changed, we are the 3rd or 2nd worst franchise in the NFL since 1999. that is ridiculous.

[MTK]

With the way the injuries keep piling up and of course Taylor's death, I'm not sure if any coach could have done any better this year.

[Monkeydad]

Mentioned on last night's game:

"Gibbs has coached 16 of the last 27 seasons for the Redskins. In the years he was not the coach, the Redskins had ZERO playoff appearances."



Yes, he has taken us to the playoffs in his return and would have last year and still might this year despite devastating injuries to key players both years.

He still has it.

Do you realize that only Vince Lombardi and Bill Belichick have better playoff winning percentages? If we can get there, he can take us the rest of the way.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Plus, losing 6 games this year when having a 4th quarter lead!! that is on the coach. .

Turnovers and missed tackles/coverages on big plays are the coaches fault? Ok...if you say so.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Buster

Mentioned on last night's game:

"Gibbs has coached 16 of the last 27 seasons for the Redskins. In the years he was not the coach, the Redskins had ZERO playoff appearances."



Yes, he has taken us to the playoffs in his return and would have last year and still might this year despite devastating injuries to key players both years.

He still has it.

Do you realize that only Vince Lombardi and Bill Belichick have better playoff winning percentages? If we can get there, he can take us the rest of the way.

Actually it's 1 playoff appearance.

1999.