AST (After Sean Taylor)-To gun or not to gun?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I don't mind people having guns but the laws need to be a little more restrictive or tightened up a little.

Really, I don't see how it can be. It can only hurt the honest people, not the "evil people". Only the honest will follow the rules, so there is no point in doing that since the honest ones are the ones that need protection. There are no stiffer penalties in site right now, and that is what is needed for the "evil people".

(note- evil people is not a reference to "evil doers", it is merely lumping together all people that do armed robberies, or break ins, or car jackings etc.)

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Really, I don't see how it can be. It can only hurt the honest people, not the "evil people". Only the honest will follow the rules, so there is no point in doing that since the honest ones are the ones that need protection. There are no stiffer penalties in site right now, and that is what is needed for the "evil people".

(note- evil people is not a reference to "evil doers", it is merely lumping together all people that do armed robberies, or break ins, or car jackings etc.)

I disagree... If I could adopt my own policy I would make it more difficult and pricey to purchase a firearm. I would make it federally mandated to have all firearms registered in all neccessary jurisdictions. I would put into place a prerequisite for criminal history, mental health, qualifying (with each weapon) and training in order to own a firearm, but take away the restrictions on what kind. Banning pistol grips on assault rifles, certain types of bullets, and limiting magazine sizes doesn't really do anything.

Then, I'd put in place a MANDATORY minimum 5 year sentance on ANY gun related charge. Everyone who gets caught with a gun that doesn't check out goes to the can, but those allowed to carry them, can carry them anywhere. Federal buildings, schools, airplanes, etc...

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

I disagree... If I could adopt my own policy I would make it more difficult and pricey to purchase a firearm. I would make it federally mandated to have all firearms registered in all neccessary jurisdictions. I would put into place a prerequisite for criminal history, mental health, qualifying (with each weapon) and training in order to own a firearm, but take away the restrictions on what kind. Banning pistol grips on assault rifles, certain types of bullets, and limiting magazine sizes doesn't really do anything.

Then, I'd put in place a MANDATORY minimum 5 year sentance on ANY gun related charge. Everyone who gets caught with a gun that doesn't check out goes to the can, but those allowed to carry them, can carry them anywhere. Federal buildings, schools, airplanes, etc...

In theory sure, but like I have already said, all you're doing is hurting the honest. The dishonest already get their guns without government knowledge, and just like drugs, they will continue to get them in underhanded ways. To not see that is doing a huge injustice to the honest people of the world.
Also, assuming the dishonest / evil people were caught (only the dumb), we don't have enough room in the prisons / jails. So your theory would not work at all.

I find it interesting that people think it's OK for the Military or Police to have guns, but not the general population. You need to ask yourself WHY do they have / need guns? PROTECTION. Why give them the right to protect us or even themselves, but not give the right to us?

Speaking of your theory, if for some crazy reason the country does decide to ban guns, I hold firm to Charlton Heston's comment..."from my cold dead fingers." I'll NEVER give up my fire arm and my right to protect my family...NEVER. I am quite sure there are millions out there just like me too. Just like prohibition, gun laws won't work either.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

Then, I'd put in place a MANDATORY minimum 5 year sentance on ANY gun related charge.

So what you're saying is it's ok to drink and drive and get caught 2 or 3 times (or more depending on the state) and gets 1 month in jail, but someone that had a gun in his glove compartment for protection would go to jail for a minimum of 5 years?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by dmek25

and do you understand what the word " amendment " means? it takes something like the constitution, which is over 200 years old, and makes it adapt to today's way of life. back when it was written, everyone needed a gun. that doesn't apply to today's world( in my opinion)

I absolutely do...maybe I do not understand what you are refering to then cause when you "amend" something you just adjust it, not delete it.

[MPNRedskins]

After hearing everything that occurred surrounding Sean's death, I personally have taken steps to make sure my house is secure. I don't live in an area where break-ins happen on a daily basis, but they are frequent. If someone comes into my house, they will be met with a nice "round", if you catch my drift. The 2nd Amendment was made for a reason.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by MPNRedskins

After hearing everything that occurred surrounding Sean's death, I personally have taken steps to make sure my house is secure. I don't live in an area where break-ins happen on a daily basis, but they are frequent. If someone comes into my house, they will be met with a nice "round", if you catch my drift. The 2nd Amendment was made for a reason.

Maybe we're wrong about bearing arms. Like Family Guy said: Maybe we have the right to HANG bear arms on our walls.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by MPNRedskins

After hearing everything that occurred surrounding Sean's death, I personally have taken steps to make sure my house is secure. I don't live in an area where break-ins happen on a daily basis, but they are frequent. If someone comes into my house, they will be met with a nice "round", if you catch my drift. The 2nd Amendment was made for a reason.

the reason was to withstand the government turning on the everyday Joe, and basically turning into a communistic society

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by dmek25

the reason was to withstand the government turning on the everyday Joe, and basically turning into a communistic society

Which would NEVER happen today...

[EternalEnigma21]

and jsarno... I'm not saying it would be perfect, but it would be a vast improvement over what we have now, and a vast improvement over all the bans that we're seeing that don't do anything.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

and jsarno... I'm not saying it would be perfect, but it would be a vast improvement over what we have now, and a vast improvement over all the bans that we're seeing that don't do anything.

I am all for harsher penalties, in fact it's past due...but to take control the innocent like that is absurd when it won't deter the evil.

[dmek25]

most people that support their second amendment rights are borderline fanatical. not saying you, jsarno. but if the shoe fits....

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by dmek25

most people that support their second amendment rights are borderline fanatical. not saying you, jsarno. but if the shoe fits....

That is a gross over generalization.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by dmek25

most people that support their second amendment rights are borderline fanatical. not saying you, jsarno. but if the shoe fits....

I didn't take it that way cause I am not fanatical. I am opinionated. If someone said I am wrong for having a gun, I'd laugh at them and keep on doing what I am doing. This is something I never discuss with anyone other than here cause no one knows I own a gun. I know people from the DC area are much more sensitive to this subject than most of the country. Partly due to crime in that area, partly due to a lot of democrats in the area, partly due to tragedies in the area. If we were to discuss this with people that mainly live in the south, this would be a vastly different conversation here.

It's just fun to occasionally discuss these sorts of things.

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I didn't take it that way cause I am not fanatical. I am opinionated. If someone said I am wrong for having a gun, I'd laugh at them and keep on doing what I am doing. This is something I never discuss with anyone other than here cause no one knows I own a gun. I know people from the DC area are much more sensitive to this subject than most of the country. Partly due to crime in that area, partly due to a lot of democrats in the area, partly due to tragedies in the area. If we were to discuss this with people that mainly live in the south, this would be a vastly different conversation here.

It's just fun to occasionally discuss these sorts of things.

no prob for clarifying... i didn't quite understand what you diagreed with...

and the DC area is a prime example. There are gun related crimes daily in that small city and there is a citywide ban on all handguns.