Roy Williams (WR) for a 2nd Round Pick?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Yeah. Just gaging the reaction on this board, Williams for a 2nd rounder was just not going to happen. First, as Schneed said, Williams and CJ make a potent receiver combo. Why dump him if they can afford him under the cap? Second. Even if he was trade bait, it is clear that the bidding was going to require a first rounder or multiple picks either this year or next to outbid some of the other teams listed.

While I would have been okay with a 2nd rounder, I would have opposed getting into a bidding war for him. Rather have the picks and take some shots. In fact, I hope we can drop a slot or two in various rounds and pick up some extra picks either this year or next.

I think they will try to get something for him before his free agency year. Sure, they could franchise him, but he's going to leave before that team is competitive, and if they can become competitive faster by dealing him, then it's a good deal for them.

I would also be opposed to a bidding war for him. In any other year, I would give up a 2nd, but with the depth of this draft, the 2nd is far too valuable to trade.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

We can probably put this to bed now. Marinelli has stated that the Lions will not trade Roy Williams. Makes sense, why the hell would they? He and CJ can make for the best 1-2 punch in the league.

Lesson learned by the Warpath, just because a blog says it could happen doesn't mean it's legitimate.

Marinelli: Williams stays

Put it to bed 2 months before the draft? What GMs & coaches say during this period is usually about 50% true. Marinelli might mean what he says, but has he met w/RW & talked about an extension?

If they feel certain they can't sign him to an extension they may look to deal him. He has 1 yr. remaining on his rookie deal.

Schneed, reading your post reminded me of 04 when Gibbs said it was a "safe assumption" that Champ would be back w/the skins that year. Next thing I hear is that he's going to Denver.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Put it to bed 2 months before the draft? What GMs & coaches say during this period is usually about 50% true. Marinelli might mean what he says, but has he met w/RW & talked about an extension?

If they feel certain they can't sign him to an extension they may look to deal him. He has 1 yr. remaining on his rookie deal.

Schneed, reading your post reminded me of 04 when Gibbs said it was a "safe assumption" that Champ would be back w/the skins that year. Next thing I hear is that he's going to Denver.

Point taken, what a coach says does not always mean it will be the case. But let's just take a step back and evaluate the big picture.

The Lions have been trying desperately to assemble big talent at WR. They drafted Charles Rogers, Roy Williams, Mike Williams, and now Calvin Johnson. They've hit on two of the four. Now, after all that, they'd consider giving up the one who is most proven out of all four of them, for a measly 2nd round pick?

Is it just me, or does that just fail to pass the sniff test?

And saying "the Lions are dumb" is not an explanation. They make boneheaded moves for sure, but one thing's clear: for the past four years they have gone hard after talent at WR. Just doesn't make sense that now they'd decide to change course and trade it away, especially for unequal value.

[724Skinsfan]

Basically when a voach says "No trade, no way" it means "Our player is superior and you're going to have to make me an offer that we can't refuse."

[SBXVII]

Well while we are at it lets play the devils advocate. Is there any way we can play the sniff test with Ocho? Lets look at how the deal could get done and if there is no possible way then it doesn't pass...right.

What would have to happen to keep Cincy from getting hammered with a 8 mil cap hit and still make the trade and how we would be able to accomodate them? A side from picks to entice them how would we get these teams to listen and give up their WR's?

Could CJ have Cincy design a new contract that would accomplish this or is the old contract set in stone and the only changes to be made will not change the cap hit?

If we are only looking at a WR who could deffinitly step up day one and produce. I would like for us to draft all new young players such as how the Patriots have in the past. Have a faster younger team with low cap but sometimes you need to think outside the box and think that whoever we draft will need to get up to NFL speed and HOPEFULLY be productive which might not be their first yr. Perhaps learning the ropes from some one we trade for.

[SBXVII]

I know it seems I like CJ and I do. But also look at the other WR that are out there and perhaps someone could explain what it might come close to costing us for each WR prospect that might be good for us. I know I am asking alot.lol. but just best guestimation as to what we would have to pay to get the WR and possibly how it could get done instead of everyone jumping on the "He sucks" and " I like this one better" and "they all have personality issues."

I mentioned CJ cause Snyder is supposed to be enamored with CJ and was wondering if CJ's agent could pull something off what and how would it be. and perhaps how we can get the lions talking trade if they supposedly have closed the door. It seems all the teams are closing the doors on WR. Is it possibly that no team is high on any WR this yr?

[Dirtyskin21]

Rod marinelli already comfirmed Roy Williams isn't going anywhere... I know it sucks, but hey.. thats the way it is..

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Dirtyskin21

Rod marinelli already comfirmed Roy Williams isn't going anywhere... I know it sucks, but hey.. thats the way it is..

He confirmed he isn't going anywhere for now. We'll see how he feels about that as the draft nears.

[Dirtyskin21]

we need a WR at least 6'3''-6'4''-220..

[Rajmahal33]

Originally Posted by Dirtyskin21

we need a WR at least 6'3''-6'4''-220..

Good, let's go out to the backyard and pick one or two, since they are growin on trees now!

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

Good, let's go out to the backyard and pick one or two, since they are growin on trees now!

get 2 extra and trade them for extra picks

[Dirtyskin21]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

Good, let's go out to the backyard and pick one or two, since they are growin on trees now!

What in the world are you talking about? I never said they did.. Im jsut saying we shouldn't pick up hackett at 6'2'' we need a WR that's at least 6'3closer to 6'4''..

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Dirtyskin21

What in the world are you talking about? I never said they did.. Im jsut saying we shouldn't pick up hackett at 6'2'' we need a WR that's at least 6'3closer to 6'4''..

Why?

[Dirtyskin21]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Why?

because I have heard hackett will want like 14 million in guaranteed money and there is NO way he's worth that IMHO.. but that's just me

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Why?

Because Hacket can only play PG during the pick up Basketball games and thats Santana Moss's position. We're looking for a SG.

However in all seriousness take a look at him DirtySkin21. The guys huge for a WR. I thought that he looked like a TE in the first few pics:
YouTube - D.J Hackett Tribute

The guy has the right combination of production and size IMO.