Trade for Boldin?

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by baxter81

It all depends on where you think the team is right now. Are they one good player away from being a legit SB contender. Some say yes. I think that with the new coach and new system there is a good chance we take a step back this year. This isn't the year that we need to go after that one player that can push us over the top if it means sacrificing the chance to build more depth in post ions that desperately need it (OL, DL, CB). Chad is a great receiver and i would love to have him in the "Maroon & Black". If it were just the 21st, i would pull the trigger, but a 1st and a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd is too much

The conditional is based on Chad and the Redskins reaching certain performance levels. If they have to go to a Super Bowl to make that 3 a 1, then I don't have a problem giving up next year's first round pick if Chad and The Skins make it all the way to the Super Bowl next year. I will admit that I'm biased, I love Chad Johnson, he's probably my favorite receiver in the game, but I think, objectively looking at it, a 1 and next year's 3 isn't too much to give up. If the Skins weren't picking at 21, I'd be against it, but I don't trust anyone out of this draft outside of the Longs, Dorsey, Ellis, or McFadden to step right in and make an impact anytime soon. That said, Chad could and that could potentially make the difference between the playoffs and a losing season.

Also, I'm not a fan of drafting a guy in round 1 and making him sit unless he plays QB.

[killromo]

Originally Posted by baxter81

It all depends on where you think the team is right now. Are they one good player away from being a legit SB contender. Some say yes. I think that with the new coach and new system there is a good chance we take a step back this year. This isn't the year that we need to go after that one player that can push us over the top if it means sacrificing the chance to build more depth in post ions that desperately need it (OL, DL, CB).

I couldn't have said it better. But think of all the $$ Dan-o would make off of ocho cinco jerseys!! A 21st pick rookie won't sell nearly as much.

[baxter81]

Originally Posted by killromo

I couldn't have said it better. But think of all the $$ Dan-o would make off of ocho cinco jerseys!! A 21st pick rookie won't sell nearly as much.

This is true

[Dirtbag59]

I'd love to see what some these GM's and coaches that are turning down the Redskins were like when their girlfriends tried to break up with them before they got married.

"Mike it's over, I'm sleeping with your best friend. I want to see other people"

"NO! I'm going to stick to my guns. It'll take two people to end this relationship and right now you only have one."

I probably could have come up with a better joke but I'm out of ideas for now.

[RMSkins]

I would definitely take Boldin over Johnson and Williams.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by RMSkins

I would definitely take Boldin over Johnson and Williams.

Well, Boldin over Johnson is a no brainer if you ask me, but why Boldin over Williams????

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Well, Boldin over Johnson is a no brainer if you ask me, but why Boldin over Williams????

cause williams isn't as good as people think and boldin is much better than being "just" a #2 as people have stated in the thread (As which is totally bogus).

williams also said he isn't a west coast WR...

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by That Guy

cause williams isn't as good as people think and boldin is much better than being "just" a #2 as people have stated in the thread (As which is totally bogus).

Well, those that said he's just a #2 don't know any better, and I can easily ignore those comments as untrue.

williams also said he isn't a west coast WR...

That's a good point, but I really think he doesn't know what he's talking about. West coast offenses are BETTER for WR's. I just think Williams has more talent and is younger, and larger. He'd be a perfect fit for us.
But hey, to each his own.

[Dirtbag59]

I don't know about Boldin being a #2. In my book he's a #4 reciever, but in all honesty anyone that can put up the type of numbers Boldin put up, with virtually no running game, not to mention having to catch passes for a while from the likes of Shaun King and Josh McCown is a bonafide #1 reciever in my book. And remember this was before Larry Fitzgerald came to town.

Personally I would offer the Cardinals the same deal we offered for CJ

[Ruhskins]

Here's a quick proof that a lot of ppl are ranting about the CJ situation and don't stop to look at the situation more thoroughly:

CJ doesn't want a new deal, he wants out of Cincy...a poorly run team, with a bunch of thugs and terrible management.

Boldin wants a new deal and more money, especially after Fitz got a ton of money from the Cards. The Cards have offered him a new deal, but Rosenhaus didn't accept it.

Now, while I've said many times that CJ is a case head, in this situation I think the greedy one is Boldin. Why do I bring this up, because there are a lot of people who are just ranting b/c they hate CJ and not b/c they are making a good argument.

Besides, as it has been said before, we quickly come down on players that want out of their contracts, but say nothing when teams cut players before their contract is up. It's all a business, so let's stop pretending like both players and teams honor their contracts.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Here's a quick proof that a lot of ppl are ranting about the CJ situation and don't stop to look at the situation more thoroughly:

CJ doesn't want a new deal, he wants out of Cincy...a poorly run team, with a bunch of thugs and terrible management.

Boldin wants a new deal and more money, especially after Fitz got a ton of money from the Cards. The Cards have offered him a new deal, but Rosenhaus didn't accept it.

Now, while I've said many times that CJ is a case head, in this situation I think the greedy one is Boldin. Why do I bring this up, because there are a lot of people who are just ranting b/c they hate CJ and not b/c they are making a good argument.

Besides, as it has been said before, we quickly come down on players that want out of their contracts, but say nothing when teams cut players before their contract is up. It's all a business, so let's stop pretending like both players and teams honor their contracts.

Why are people crucifying Boldin like he's the greedy a-hole? I understand where Boldin's coming from, Fitzgerald is getting paid like 4 times the salary of Boldin and Boldin doesn't have a lot of years left on his deal anyways. He simply wants to be paid what he's worth, and he knows that's not gonna happen with Arizona because they don't have the cap space to afford him so he wants to be traded. It's not like Boldin signed a new deal a year ago and he wants to upgrade from getting paid 7 million a year to 10 million a year.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by mooby

Why are people crucifying Boldin like he's the greedy a-hole? I understand where Boldin's coming from, Fitzgerald is getting paid like 4 times the salary of Boldin and Boldin doesn't have a lot of years left on his deal anyways. He simply wants to be paid what he's worth, and he knows that's not gonna happen with Arizona because they don't have the cap space to afford him so he wants to be traded. It's not like Boldin signed a new deal a year ago and he wants to upgrade from getting paid 7 million a year to 10 million a year.

Well unfortunately for Boldin Arizona doesn't know anything about cap space. LOL. But true, Arizona won't be able to pay both Boldin and Fitz so they should consider trading him. The same for Cincy, they won't be able to pay both Chad and TJ. But these teams are sticking to their guns.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Here's a quick proof that a lot of ppl are ranting about the CJ situation and don't stop to look at the situation more thoroughly:

CJ doesn't want a new deal, he wants out of Cincy...a poorly run team, with a bunch of thugs and terrible management.

Boldin wants a new deal and more money, especially after Fitz got a ton of money from the Cards. The Cards have offered him a new deal, but Rosenhaus didn't accept it.

Now, while I've said many times that CJ is a case head, in this situation I think the greedy one is Boldin. Why do I bring this up, because there are a lot of people who are just ranting b/c they hate CJ and not b/c they are making a good argument.

Besides, as it has been said before, we quickly come down on players that want out of their contracts, but say nothing when teams cut players before their contract is up. It's all a business, so let's stop pretending like both players and teams honor their contracts.

I don't think anyone has ranted about Chad wanting more money or out of Cincy. Please direct my attention to the posts in which people are complaining about his demand to be traded. Most people objecting to the trade are doing so on the ground that it would be costly to acquire him, he's aging, we could use all the draft picks we have, etc.

I find it funny that so many people who support the trade for Chad are so dismissive of anyone who opposes the trade. Instead of addressing the argument on the merits, those people make silly statements like, "ohh you're just ranting." It's akin to saying, "if you disagree with me, you are an idiot as I KNOW the future and determine objective truth." Kinda narcissistic view.

[John Riggins]

"The Washington Redskins already came sniffing around after being turned down by the Cincinnati Bengals in their offer for Chad Johnson. Washington was offering the same package, this year’s first rounder along with a third in next year’s draft, but Arizona wisely said no thanks."

I'm not allowed to post a link apparenty, because I'm new, but it is from Raising Zona, a Cardinals blog.

Not sure if it is true, but I'm with some of the others who think that these WRs, while great, are not worth 2 first rounders. I forget where I read it (or heard it if it was on Jeremy Green's Football Today podcast), but apparently the performance markers for the Skins and the WR were fairly easy to meet. That's 2 first rounders gone for a team that is in sore need of help on both sides of the line (it killed me to watch our Oline get decimated by injuries last year, to the point where if another one went down we were putting a backup Dlineman in).

The cap gets bigger every year, and our guys, though frustrating at times (turf-toe Deion for one), are brilliant at working it. I'm not worried about that. Roy, CJ and Boldin are all studs. There is just no doubt about that. But is a King's ransom really worth it? And I mean the draft picks, not the contract.

As for the guy who said we aren't in the position to win the superbowl this year with just one more player, I don't want to hear it. At times last year we looked great. The friggin Giants won the SB. You don't think we could do it next year with a stud WR? Optimism man.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by John Riggins

"The Washington Redskins already came sniffing around after being turned down by the Cincinnati Bengals in their offer for Chad Johnson. Washington was offering the same package, this year’s first rounder along with a third in next year’s draft, but Arizona wisely said no thanks."

I'm not allowed to post a link apparenty, because I'm new, but it is from Raising Zona, a Cardinals blog.

Not sure if it is true, but I'm with some of the others who think that these WRs, while great, are not worth 2 first rounders. I forget where I read it (or heard it if it was on Jeremy Green's Football Today podcast), but apparently the performance markers for the Skins and the WR were fairly easy to meet. That's 2 first rounders gone for a team that is in sore need of help on both sides of the line (it killed me to watch our Oline get decimated by injuries last year, to the point where if another one went down we were putting a backup Dlineman in).

The cap gets bigger every year, and our guys, though frustrating at times (turf-toe Deion for one), are brilliant at working it. I'm not worried about that. Roy, CJ and Boldin are all studs. There is just no doubt about that. But is a King's ransom really worth it? And I mean the draft picks, not the contract.

As for the guy who said we aren't in the position to win the superbowl this year with just one more player, I don't want to hear it. At times last year we looked great. The friggin Giants won the SB. You don't think we could do it next year with a stud WR? Optimism man.

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