Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by 81forHOF

I really like this move but do have a couple of concerns.

I was reading an article earlier today on the Redskins official site that said that Zorn's practices were going to be more up tempo and have more contact, especially in the trenches. I just hope that these 2 very early injuries are just a fluke and there are not more to come. I don't know much about NFL practices but maybe it is better to ease into full pads with contact. On the other hand, I have always liked coaches who work the players hard.

I also worry about stopping the run. How nice would it be to still have Wynn right now?

All in all, I think this is going to make our entire D a LOT better.

Well, today's practices were half-pads, and apparently PD just got his leg tied up with someone on the line. I don't think practice intensity had much to do with his injury, especially on the very first play. And Buzbee's ruptured achilles occurred without contact while he was just backpedaling, so that's definitely a fluke.

That being said, I hope Zorn and Co. use this as an opportunity to explain to the players how critical it is to stay well hydrated, stretch thoroughly, and to properly communicate each and every physical issue that comes up to the doctors/training staff in order to receive proper treatment. Taking care of their bodies is absolutely mandatory. Fluke injuries occur, but you can cut down the likelihood by taking good care of yourself and paying attention to your body.

[skinsfan69]

What about E. James?? Or was that move just a waste of time?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Blessing in disguise? How?

Simple, Jason Taylor is a Pro Bowl caliber player. Phillip Daniels while a solid player was nothing special. We needed this upgrade even before Daniels went down. Now we have two ends who can both get around the corner. I don't see how you can not like this deal considering the circumstances. And there's already been indications that he will play out his 2 years at the least.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

What about E. James?? Or was that move just a waste of time?

He's not even healthy enough yet. He was never looked at as being an immediate solution anyway.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Blessing in disguise? How? The guy has been dancing all off season. Plus he wants to only play one more year. This is why you have draft picks waiting in the wings when your 50 year old DE does down. And don't give me any Buzbee talk cause he didn't even see the field last year. He was a practice squad player. I'm talking about a draft pick that can step right in. What about Evans?? You don't see the NYG trading for anyone once Strahan stepped down. That's cause they prepared for his retirement. I think depending on Daniels to make it through another year was a mistake and this trade was a knee jerk reaction. Awful trade.

Some thoughts

1. Agree that losing Daniels is not a blessing in disguise

2. So he danced, so what? It's not like he got out of shape or has ever come to a season unprepared

3. How do you know a draft pick would be any more prepared to come in than a player who actually has a year of NFL experience, albeit limited, under his belt?

4. How exactly did the Giants prepare for Strahan's retirement?

5. I think labeling this trade awful is...a knee jerk reaction

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Blessing in disguise? How? The guy has been dancing all off season. Plus he wants to only play one more year. This is why you have draft picks waiting in the wings when your 50 year old DE does down. And don't give me any Buzbee talk cause he didn't even see the field last year. He was a practice squad player. I'm talking about a draft pick that can step right in. What about Evans?? You don't see the NYG trading for anyone once Strahan stepped down. That's cause they prepared for his retirement. I think depending on Daniels to make it through another year was a mistake and this trade was a knee jerk reaction. Awful trade.

While I'd agree that one of our first three picks would have been well spent on a DT or DE, we did address needs in the draft. I think given today's situation (independent of draft day), we made a good move. A 2nd and 6th for a top 5 defensive player in the league is well worth it, and Vinny said he's "100% certain Taylor will play more than one year." Taylor has repeatedly said he wants to win more than anything, and now he has a chance to play for a playoff-caliber team in the league's best division. I'd want to retire ASAP too if I had just suffered through that 1-15 debacle. The stage here is different. He's playing closer to his home (Pitt) for a team with a great locker room, an owner with Hollywood pull, and an on the field product capable of a playoff run. I think he'll be happy to play out the last two years of his contract here.

I also think it's very important to point out (while knocking on wood) that Jason Taylor hasn't missed a game since 1999 (he missed 1 that year), and has only missed 4 his entire career. Not to mention he said Dancing With Stars has his flexibility better than it's ever been. Some nice positives there.

[MTK]

Seems kinda funny that we had just enough cap room to fit JT and the move came together so quickly.

Hmmmmmm....

[The Goat]

Is there really cause for concern about the run defense? I'm sure JT's stats on run stoppage aren't stellar, but that was as a weak-side DE where you don't see much help and you're job is to focus on getting to the QB.

I also started to wonder whether it's set in stone that JT will get moved and not AC. Who's the bigger man? AC is listed as 252 on the redskin homepage and JT is listed as 255 elsewhere, but I thought I remembered Andre as heavy as 270 during his career. Maybe I'm way off here.

[htownskinfan]

we wont know till after the season if this was a good move or not,but on the surface right now it was a good move,but Taylor could rupture his knee monday,I just hope this trade is based on him passing the physical,unlike the brunell trade where they didnt even check him out beforehand.No reason to believe he wont pass the physical,but who knows?

[The Goat]

I also meant to say that in regard to stopping the run we still have Griff, A. Mont., and Golston in the trenches for a pretty damn good rotation. Most of us (I think) expect a break-out season from Montgomery which will help us out nicely. Also, maybe Evans will play DE in obvious run situations like others have said.

[The Goat]

JT looks lighter to me than AC from still frames.

[Gtothearry]

I'll make this short and sweet.........I APPROVE!

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Some thoughts

1. Agree that losing Daniels is not a blessing in disguise

2. So he danced, so what? It's not like he got out of shape or has ever come to a season unprepared

3. How do you know a draft pick would be any more prepared to come in than a player who actually has a year of NFL experience, albeit limited, under his belt?

4. How exactly did the Giants prepare for Strahan's retirement?

5. I think labeling this trade awful is...a knee jerk reaction

1.The Giants have a few young DE's that can take Strahans place. They do and did have a plan.

2. It just seems selfish to go on TV and prance around when your team went 1-15 and you're suppose to be one of the leaders. Do that shit you retire. I don't blame Parcells one damn bit. I'm sure he wasn't busting his ass staying in shape like his teammates were. He seems more worried about his Hollywood career at this point of his life than his football career.

3. I'm saying a guy that has been on the bench for a few years. Not someone right out of the draft. Like D. Evans. Why not plug him in and give the guy a chance? How many years has he been here????? It's time for him to become a full time player!! I just think that constantly chasing old guys cause we don't a plan is not the way to do things. This is the 2nd year in a row where we had to give up draft picks and bring in an old guy cause there was no one of any quality waiting behind the current starter. No plan last year when Dock left. Oh yeah... we tried that Todd Wade experiment. That didn't go over so well.

The reason I'm not happy about his trade is we've already tried this way for several years and it hasn't wokred.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Simple, Jason Taylor is a Pro Bowl caliber player. Phillip Daniels while a solid player was nothing special. We needed this upgrade even before Daniels went down. Now we have two ends who can both get around the corner. I don't see how you can not like this deal considering the circumstances. And there's already been indications that he will play out his 2 years at the least.

I just don't like it. No one else was offering jack for the guy cause they know he might only play one more year.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Is there really cause for concern about the run defense? I'm sure JT's stats on run stoppage aren't stellar, but that was as a weak-side DE where you don't see much help and you're job is to focus on getting to the QB.

I also started to wonder whether it's set in stone that JT will get moved and not AC. Who's the bigger man? AC is listed as 252 on the redskin homepage and JT is listed as 255 elsewhere, but I thought I remembered Andre as heavy as 270 during his career. Maybe I'm way off here.

According to JLC Carter is staying on the right side, Taylor is switching to left.