Steve Young's family up against Mormon church on Prop. 8

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Saden:


BB:

Polls show that same sex marriage bans are going to go the way of T-Rex within the next few years. Whereas people over 40 tend to oppose gay marriage in overwhelming numbers, the opposite is true for people under 40. So, citing support for gay marriage bans is a bit of a double-edged sword.

I would also like to ask you why you think same sex couples should be barred from adopting kids. Keep in mind that thousands upon thousands of kids are waiting to be adopted and many of them will never have families to call their own. That you would prefer a kid to never having any family whatsoever in his/her entire life to having a same sex couple as parents is breathtaking in its heartlessness.

Finally, aside from saying that homosexuality is unnatural, you haven't advanced a single argument as to how same sex marriage is bad for society. People do a lot of things that are unnatural. We take medicines to alleviate sicknesses, we drive cars to avoid long walks and we fly in airplanes to travel across continents, but that doesn't make Advil, Ford and Northwest Airlines harbingers of the collapse of society. You can say it just "feels" wrong, but that doesn't really cut it. I can articulate many reasons why murder, robbery, rape, etc. are wrong. I can't really articulate why I like the color green. To me, the reasons you've expressed for thinking homosexuality is wrong sound a lot like my attempts to explain why I like the color green.

It would be equally true that you cannot produce any reasons for declaring homosexuality well and proper. It's clearly a moral question and moral questions are always subjective. On an issue like this, where matters of morality are being decided it has to be majority rule, in my opinion. As long as the majority of society agrees that homosexuality is negative and immoral, legislation like Prop 8 will stand a good chance of remaining law. But, as you said, all trending seems to indicate that my way of thinking is truly going the way of the dodo. It is my personal belief that that is to the detriment of society. So buck up, in ten years, you'll be right and I'll be the equivalent of the old guy in the neighborhood yelling at the kids to get off my lawn. We'll see if the nation is better off.

As to your point about adoption, I believe that any home that is based in wholesale immorality is a negative environment for children, who are at the mercy of their legal guardians on a multitude of levels. So while I can obviously appreciate your point, my reasoning is again based in morality, which you will not like.

[saden1]

If only we enforced adultly laws we would have happier couples and less devoice in our culture. Got to love the Utah law. How far do you go? Where do you draw the line?

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by saden1

If only we enforced adultly laws we would have happier couples and less devoice in our culture. Got to love the Utah law. How far do you go? Where do you draw the line?

I agree that that is a question to be asked on both sides of any "moral" argument.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

BleedBurgundy:

I hope you take this in good fun, but I think it's kind of funny that the guy with boobs in his signature is talking about how allowing homosexuals to commit to each other for life is against common "decency."

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

BleedBurgundy:

I hope you take this in good fun, but I think it's kind of funny that the guy with boobs in his signature is talking about how allowing homosexuals to commit to each other for life is against common "decency."

See, you failed the moral Rorschach test that is my signature! You wanted to see boobs, so those are boobs. What if I told you those are actually eyes?

I'm kidding.


Good night folks, may you sleep soundly in your bed, next to your partner of the opposite sex.




Again, kidding...

[Dirtbag59]

I forget who it was but there was a Repbulican Consultant on CNN that was talking about what the Republican party needs to do and I was stunned about how right she was. Anyway she went on to say that the party needs to focus more on shrinking government and less on how we should live our lives. The funny thing is unless the Republican party evolves to a more do what you want with your life policy then they are going to lose my generation (under 30) as we saw during the prop 8 vote.

I think it's ironic that every election these days seems to make me choose between my morals and my wallet. With that said looking back I'm excited now that Obama won especially with the retirement of the Supreme Court Justices on the horizon as well as the blow up over at the McCain camp. Though I think way to much of it is to much information.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I forget who it was but there was a Repbulican Consultant on CNN that was talking about what the Republican party needs to do and I was stunned about how right she was. Anyway she went on to say that the party needs to focus more on shrinking government and less on how we should live our lives. The funny thing is unless the Republican party evolves to a more do what you want with your life policy then they are going to lose my generation (under 30) as we saw during the prop 8 vote.

I think it's ironic that every election these days seems to make me choose between my morals and my wallet. With that said looking back I'm excited now that Obama won especially with the retirement of the Supreme Court Justices on the horizon as well as the blow up over at the McCain camp. Though I think way to much of it is to much information.

That was Susan Molinari

[MTK]

Interesting to see the economic impact of Prop 8:

Demise of Same-Sex Weddings Disheartens Businesses

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Interesting to see the economic impact of Prop 8:

Demise of Same-Sex Weddings Disheartens Businesses

I would imagine the shop owner in the imterview is a bit biased on the gay side of the arguement, and the $$ side as well.

[onlydarksets]

Just want to say that this thread has been probably the most civil political discussion on this board.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

Just want to say that this thread has been probably the most civil political discussion on this board.

Ha, I can fix that!!!

[saden1]

Once you start legislating morality the war is already lost. It's simply a matter of time....like my man Thomas Jefferson said:

We are sensible of the duty and expediency of submitting our opinions to the will of the majority, and can wait with patience till they get right if they happen to be at any time wrong.

-Thomas Jefferson

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by saden1

Once you start legislating morality the war is already lost. It's simply a matter of time....like my man Thomas Jefferson said:

If you were able to present TJ with the question at hand, what is your opinion of his thoughts on the matter?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Hog1

If you were able to present TJ with the question at hand, what is your opinion of his thoughts on the matter?

Given that he is the man who authored the the Declaration of Independence I feel confidant that he would be partial to gay marriage. That is to say if he is a principled man he would side with liberty and not with religious dogma.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

Given that he is the man who authored the the Declaration of Independence I feel confidant that he would be partial to gay marriage. That is to say if he is a principled man he would side with liberty and not with religious dogma.

Not sure that gay marriage was much of an issue back then so its hard to say how he would feel. Did the Declaration of Independense apply to black slaves?