Redskins Offense: What's the Problem?

[birdz4gibbs]

it,s a combination of all the above....the trenches being the biggest of them all on offense and on defense.... what they were doing at the start of the season they aint doing it now and that force tempo be fast and push it downfield..right now they can,t get out of their own way at the moment it seems..

well it seems this team needs to make another dramatic stretch run to make it to the playoffs...PLAYOFFS...

[The Goat]

I had to wait till today to respond or else I'd fly into a furious rant. Reading the analysis so far has been helpful just to put things in order and think more than feel. So... what I really keep coming back to is the front office. Vinny supposedly is the real guy now so I guess I blame him (but you figure Danny boy and coaches have some say). What I'm getting at is sure everyone here is right about the line being a joke and our wide outs unproductive. But why do we have the players we have? Who's fucking job is it to decide that Jansen is old and fat and just plain bad, which means we need to find a starting caliber RT? Who's job is it to be sure we have the right players to solidify the line throughout? Who's job is it to find legitimate wide outs? You get my point. Our front office spent it's time and money on a flashy DE who cannot play the position we fucking hired him for. By the way one of the smartest personnel guys in the biz (The Tuna) wouldn't touch Taylor so that should have been some kind of indicator. And we used our draft picks on guys who have not been able to contribute jack squat (outside of the fluke we know as Chris Horton).

My opinion: the FO gets a great big F- for '08. Didn't solidify an aging, creaky and incompetent line. Didn't bring in anyone who could make an impact on offense. Bullshit.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I had to wait till today to respond or else I'd fly into a furious rant. Reading the analysis so far has been helpful just to put things in order and think more than feel. So... what I really keep coming back to is the front office. Vinny supposedly is the real guy now so I guess I blame him (but you figure Danny boy and coaches have some say). What I'm getting at is sure everyone here is right about the line being a joke and our wide outs unproductive. But why do we have the players we have? Who's fucking job is it to decide that Jansen is old and fat and just plain bad, which means we need to find a starting caliber RT? Who's job is it to be sure we have the right players to solidify the line throughout? Who's job is it to find legitimate wide outs? You get my point. Our front office spent it's time and money on a flashy DE who cannot play the position we fucking hired him for. By the way one of the smartest personnel guys in the biz (The Tuna) wouldn't touch Taylor so that should have been some kind of indicator. And we used our draft picks on guys who have not been able to contribute jack squat (outside of the fluke we know as Chris Horton).

My opinion: the FO gets a great big F- for '08. Didn't solidify an aging, creaky and incompetent line. Didn't bring in anyone who could make an impact on offense. Bullshit.

Yeah, thanks for not flying into a furious rant.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yeah, thanks for not flying into a furious rant.

Hmm, sense a touch of sarcasm SS... seriously, i'm so much calmer than I was yesterday

[ChickenMonkey]

The botton line is that you build your team from the bottom up... Offensive line, then defensive line...if you can run the ball, pass protect, and stop the run, you can will the SUPER BOWL.....The skins cant pass protect and they cant stop the run....Done deal
Draft defensive line, Offensive line, and linebackers, if you bulid it they(wins) will come

[SirClintonPortis]

Yeah, and Colt would be more poised than Campbell with the shoddy protection the OL is providing. Yeah right. I expect to him crack against a team like the Giants and perform like he did in the Sugar Bowl highlights I saw.

[skinsnut]

Someone mentioned shotgun...I mentioned this like a month ago....and we rarely see it.
Rollouts are rare too.

One thing about Gibbs, when the Oline needed help, he adjusted.

Zorn does not adjust....his "Rookiness" has been showing for a month.
That is why when everyone was saying he was a "5" out of 5....I still graded him a 3.
He hasn't been tested yet....now, he has been a couple games straight and he just has not kept ahead of the curve.

He better get his crap together soon or we may just be vanilla all the way out of the playoff race.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Someone mentioned shotgun...I mentioned this like a month ago....and we rarely see it.
Rollouts are rare too.

One thing about Gibbs, when the Oline needed help, he adjusted.

Zorn does not adjust....his "Rookiness" has been showing for a month.
That is why when everyone was saying he was a "5" out of 5....I still graded him a 3.
He hasn't been tested yet....now, he has been a couple games straight and he just has not kept ahead of the curve.
He better get his crap together soon or we may just be vanilla all the way out of the playoff race.

Considering that we have the same line coach, scheme, and players, I'm not sure that I agree with this. As much as it sucks to say I think the O-line's non-rookiness has been showing for a month. The guys are getting old and showing a real inability to handle more athletic pass-rushers. Rabach and Jansen have been liabilities all season but, unfortunately, the whole unit appears to be regressing.

This is not a knee-jerk overreaction, we have a big problem here.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Considering that we have the same line coach, scheme, and players, I'm not sure that I agree with this. As much as it sucks to say I think the O-line's non-rookiness has been showing for a month. The guys are getting old and showing a real inability to handle more athletic pass-rushers. Rabach and Jansen have been liabilities all season but, unfortunately, the whole unit appears to be regressing.

This is not a knee-jerk overreaction, we have a big problem here.

I think many of us are struggling to accept this - I know I am and reading through most of the threads right now it shows up a lot. Remember we also had a big problem last year w/ the o-line. Yeah I know there were a slew of unforeseen injuries but doesn't that just make the case for better (hopefully much better depth). Don't mistake me here. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone on this board. We're the fans, the spectators looking on w/o most of the info the people running the team have available to them. We see game day. We don't see how back-ups, or rookies prior to opening day, are progressing.

What's mind-boggling is that since '07 the FO didn't do anything about the line or to get an impact receiver (already familiar w/ the WCO) who could at least give us a shot at rounding out the offense.

[CrackBack]

John Madden pointed out the problem really well last night.

With all the slant patterns and no shots downfield, defenses are starting to play us close, not worrying about the deep threat. I realize that this is the WCO style, but until we prove that we have a valid deep threat in the playbook (we bviously have the personel with Moss) we will nto be successful.

[skinsnut]

and....how the HELL do you LOSE to the Cowboys at home when it would essentially be a 3 game difference and a loss makes it a tie?

Portis played injured, so did Washington and others. Where the HELL is the fire?
Doesn't Zorn get it?
He obviously does not feel the way we do about the cowboys.
If you cant get up to drive a nail in the coffin of your hated enemies at home, you never will...I am pissed and depressed....I just dont see how this team gets their crap together unless Zorn radically changes playcalling/protection and/or some unknown offensive player breaks out...(and it aint gunna be thomas).

I AM REALLY PISSED OFF TODAY.
I need a beer.

[tmandoug1]

Hi Skins fans, didn't we do this last year. Yes we did and here is the same post I put up LAST YEAR. Mark Rypien stood in the pocket for 3-5 seconds and picked apart defenses, is he better than JC? If JC only gets 2 seconds he doesn't get time to see his recievers deep. O-LINE is bad on pass protection and decent on the rush. JC threw picks because he was getting hit all night or nervous about getting hit. Protect him we win. (obvioulsy)

[Big C]

our offensive line has been pathetic in recent weeks. rabach is horrendous, he must be replaced in the offseason imo. jansen is also doing terribly in pass pro imo, i really wish heyer would get back in there. samuels is hurt so i can understand his struggles, he is still a great left tackle.

[skinsfan_nn]

Plain and simple. It ALL starts up front. And our front five ought to take a good look in the mirror!

We need to get hot now and get on a winning run at the right time, which is NOW. For this to happen the front five better get it together (if they are capable, at this point), very quickly as in before Sunday at Seattle.

[53Fan]

I've said before that if this line was as good as they think they are we'd have the leading rusher and passer every year. I thought it was great when Zorn sat Jansen down in favor of Heyer to let these guys know reputation does'nt count for s**t, performance does. Afterwards, Jansen picked his game up a bit. I like these guys, even Rabach. But liking them and thinking they're funny when they do interviews etc. has nothing to do with how they play on the field. These guys need a reality check just like Jansen got. With maybe the exception of Samuels (injury) and Kendall, they need to step up or hit the bench and let the rookies take a shot. We won 4 in a row with Fabini and Heyer in there last year. If we're not going to win because of our o-line play, at least let the young guys get some experience. I want to go to the playoffs, but if the line keeps playing like this...we're not going far.