For all you D Hall lovers

[44ever]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I think last year was a strong year to draft a starting caliber CB. For example, maybe they could have passed on Thomas and taken Brandon Flowers but they didn't. Lucky for them, D. Hall has fallen in their laps. I think they'd be foolish to pass on the opportunity to lock him up and line him up with Rogers for the next 5-10 years.

Now this post makes sence to me. Id like to see Hall and Rogers here next season and beyond also.

[53Fan]

How did we get from signing Hall to bashing Springs? Whether Hall is worthy or not of signing to a contract should have nothing to do with Springs. If a guy has great talent and has shown that he would improve your team then he should be signed. But to COMPLETELY ignore a guys behavior in the past and sign him to a big long term contract would be foolish. Hall is aware of his past and any reservations about him. If he's not, he must have his head up his ass. If he wants to play here, GREAT! Offer him a contract! But be reasonable, he's the one who created the doubts. He's the one who should deal with it. Be reasonable about a contract. Maybe a shorter deal, say 3 years, would be the best way to go. If he plays great we'll have to pony up in three years, but if he doesn't, we won't be dealing with this forever like it seems like we're doing with some other guys.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

How did we get from signing Hall to bashing Springs? Whether Hall is worthy or not of signing to a contract should have nothing to do with Springs. If a guy has great talent and has shown that he would improve your team then he should be signed. But to COMPLETELY ignore a guys behavior in the past and sign him to be a big long term contract would be foolish. Hall is aware of his past and any reservations about him. If he's not, he must have his head up his ass. If he wants to play here, GREAT! Offer him a contract! But be reasonable, he's the one who created the doubts. He's the one who should deal with it. Be reasonable about a contract. Maybe a shorter deal, say 3 years, would be the best way to go. If he plays great we'll have to pony up in three years, but if he doesn't, we won't be dealing with this forever like it seems like we're doing with some other guys.

Good summary of all relevant points. Nice work.

[SmootSmack]

I had brought up that 2007 game and the subsequent three games but was told that "2007 is irrelevant" so there you have it.

[Eknox]

He only played a short time, and showed he could be a game changer had he played a couple more games he might have led the team in INT's

[53Fan]

Dre Bly, another local DB, was just released by the Broncos.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Dre Bly, another local DB, was just released by the Broncos.

Now that's a guy who expected a payday from Danny!!! I'd take Hall any day of the week and twice on Sunday over Bly...

[SFREDSKIN]

I say sign Bodden and Bly for the price of Hall, keep Rogers and cut Smoot.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I say sign Bodden and Bly for the price of Hall, keep Rogers and cut Smoot.

Bodden and Bly are on the downside of their careers and, even in their prime, werent as good as Hall is right now. Rogers wants out and appears to be a locker room cancer waiting to happen. The cap hit to cut smoot is currently too high.

And to reiterate my dislike of Springs (now) and love for Hall (now)... the NFL is a "what have you done for me lately," "what are you doing for me now," and "what will you do for me tomorrow" league. What a player did 2 years ago is infinitely less important than what a player did last year and what a player will likely do this year. Just as I dont care what Springs did in 2007, I dont care what personel issues Hall had in 2006. Are they factors that should be considered in retaining either of their services - yes... but they are minor factors when compared to what both of these guys did in 2008.

Prior to the 2008 season, Springs said he wanted to retire. During the 2008 season, Springs was constantly missed games with an array of mysterious, minor injuries. nearly every single week, he was a game-time decision. His comment to the media made it seem like he too none of it seriously and he was just enjoying the ride. After the 2008 season, in a radio interview, Springs aired the teams dirty laundry publically, and didnt seem to care if he came back here in 2009 or not.

Prior to the 2008 season, Hall was traded to Oakland and he signed a huge contract. He played poorly in Oakland (which is why few teams pursued him when he was released). The skins took a chance on him and he played extremely well. He was not a locker room problem. After the season, he publically said he wants to be here. He said he looks up to high character guys like London Fletcher and goes to them to them, not only to better his understanding of the game, but also for advice on off the field issues. He says he's learned money isnt everything if youre miserable. He wants to play here. he wants to be a redskin.

people need to let go of the past and look at what guys are doing right now. Hall is someone we NEED on this team in 2009. Right now, he is displaying more signs of character and heart than either of our 2 other top corners.

[vallin21]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Bodden and Bly are on the downside of their careers and, even in their prime, werent as good as Hall is right now. Rogers wants out and appears to be a locker room cancer waiting to happen. The cap hit to cut smoot is currently too high.

And to reiterate my dislike of Springs (now) and love for Hall (now)... the NFL is a "what have you done for me lately," "what are you doing for me now," and "what will you do for me tomorrow" league. What a player did 2 years ago is infinitely less important than what a player did last year and what a player will likely do this year. Just as I dont care what Springs did in 2007, I dont care what personel issues Hall had in 2006. Are they factors that should be considered in retaining either of their services - yes... but they are minor factors when compared to what both of these guys did in 2008.

Prior to the 2008 season, Springs said he wanted to retire. During the 2008 season, Springs was constantly missed games with an array of mysterious, minor injuries. nearly every single week, he was a game-time decision. His comment to the media made it seem like he too none of it seriously and he was just enjoying the ride. After the 2008 season, in a radio interview, Springs aired the teams dirty laundry publically, and didnt seem to care if he came back here in 2009 or not.

Prior to the 2008 season, Hall was traded to Oakland and he signed a huge contract. He played poorly in Oakland (which is why few teams pursued him when he was released). The skins took a chance on him and he played extremely well. He was not a locker room problem. After the season, he publically said he wants to be here. He said he looks up to high character guys like London Fletcher and goes to them to them, not only to better his understanding of the game, but also for advice on off the field issues. He says he's learned money isnt everything if youre miserable. He wants to play here. he wants to be a redskin.

people need to let go of the past and look at what guys are doing right now. Hall is someone we NEED on this team in 2009. Right now, he is displaying more signs of character and heart than either of our 2 other top corners.

I disagree, Bodden is not on the downside of his carreer and I would rather have him then Springs.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Bodden and Bly are on the downside of their careers and, even in their prime, werent as good as Hall is right now. Rogers wants out and appears to be a locker room cancer waiting to happen. The cap hit to cut smoot is currently too high.

And to reiterate my dislike of Springs (now) and love for Hall (now)... the NFL is a "what have you done for me lately," "what are you doing for me now," and "what will you do for me tomorrow" league. What a player did 2 years ago is infinitely less important than what a player did last year and what a player will likely do this year. Just as I dont care what Springs did in 2007, I dont care what personel issues Hall had in 2006. Are they factors that should be considered in retaining either of their services - yes... but they are minor factors when compared to what both of these guys did in 2008.

Prior to the 2008 season, Springs said he wanted to retire. During the 2008 season, Springs was constantly missed games with an array of mysterious, minor injuries. nearly every single week, he was a game-time decision. His comment to the media made it seem like he too none of it seriously and he was just enjoying the ride. After the 2008 season, in a radio interview, Springs aired the teams dirty laundry publically, and didnt seem to care if he came back here in 2009 or not.

Prior to the 2008 season, Hall was traded to Oakland and he signed a huge contract. He played poorly in Oakland (which is why few teams pursued him when he was released). The skins took a chance on him and he played extremely well. He was not a locker room problem. After the season, he publically said he wants to be here. He said he looks up to high character guys like London Fletcher and goes to them to them, not only to better his understanding of the game, but also for advice on off the field issues. He says he's learned money isnt everything if youre miserable. He wants to play here. he wants to be a redskin.

people need to let go of the past and look at what guys are doing right now. Hall is someone we NEED on this team in 2009. Right now, he is displaying more signs of character and heart than either of our 2 other top corners.

What was mysterious about his injury? It was calf injury that originally occurred when he was kicked by Marcus Washington, and it was nagging injury that he kept aggravating whenever he would try to practice.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Bodden and Bly are on the downside of their careers and, even in their prime, werent as good as Hall is right now. Rogers wants out and appears to be a locker room cancer waiting to happen. The cap hit to cut smoot is currently too high.

And to reiterate my dislike of Springs (now) and love for Hall (now)... the NFL is a "what have you done for me lately," "what are you doing for me now," and "what will you do for me tomorrow" league. What a player did 2 years ago is infinitely less important than what a player did last year and what a player will likely do this year. Just as I dont care what Springs did in 2007, I dont care what personel issues Hall had in 2006. Are they factors that should be considered in retaining either of their services - yes... but they are minor factors when compared to what both of these guys did in 2008.

Prior to the 2008 season, Springs said he wanted to retire. During the 2008 season, Springs was constantly missed games with an array of mysterious, minor injuries. nearly every single week, he was a game-time decision. His comment to the media made it seem like he too none of it seriously and he was just enjoying the ride. After the 2008 season, in a radio interview, Springs aired the teams dirty laundry publically, and didnt seem to care if he came back here in 2009 or not.

Prior to the 2008 season, Hall was traded to Oakland and he signed a huge contract. He played poorly in Oakland (which is why few teams pursued him when he was released). The skins took a chance on him and he played extremely well. He was not a locker room problem. After the season, he publically said he wants to be here. He said he looks up to high character guys like London Fletcher and goes to them to them, not only to better his understanding of the game, but also for advice on off the field issues. He says he's learned money isnt everything if youre miserable. He wants to play here. he wants to be a redskin.

people need to let go of the past and look at what guys are doing right now. Hall is someone we NEED on this team in 2009. Right now, he is displaying more signs of character and heart than either of our 2 other top corners.

Bodden is only two years older than Hall and unlike Hall, has a track record of success.

With that said, if they were both looking for the same money, I'd take Hall. The problem is that Hall is looking for a deal comparable to the Oakland mistake, and it's amazing that there's not more outrage about this.

If Hall signs here at his market value (3-4 mil per year, no more than 30% of the contract guaranteed), I have no problem at all with it. If he gets closer to 5-6 million per and half of the contract guaranteed, then looking to the future is not a very good defense of the contract.

[44ever]

^^^ Sooooo correct Sir.^^^^

[GTripp0012]

I also have a lot of fun with the "he was badly misused in Oakland" point. Seriously? You can play across the field from the best corner in all of football and still be misused? If you can't be a decent corner playing across from the best in the business, where can you succeed?

Washington, I guess. But still, 7 games are 7 games.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I also have a lot of fun with the "he was badly misused in Oakland" point. Seriously? You can play across the field from the best corner in all of football and still be misused? If you can't be a decent corner playing across from the best in the business, where can you succeed?

Washington, I guess. But still, 7 games are 7 games.

I don't think he was misused, he was just on a terrible team period. And as our own team has shown, one player cannot change a crappy offense or defense. I can name you another play whose numbers suffered by being in a terrible Raiders team, Randy Moss.

Our defense is not crappy, and a DB tandem of Hall and Rogers for a full year can make it even better. I don't think the argument should boil down to either Hall or Rogers, the team should strive to keep both, bottom line.