Somebody please try to convince me that the FO has a plan.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Excellent post! Everything you wrote makes sense to me.

I only disagree with you about the ability of JC to lead this team. On a physical level I have problems with his slow release, his inaccuracy, and the flat trajectory on his deep passes. On a mental level, I don't think that he usually makes decisions quickly enough. I also question his standing as an team leader. I don't see him transmitting his passion for winning to his teammates. Lastly, he just doesn't make enough big plays. Sometimes a QB needs to make a play at a critical time of the game whether or not defenders are draped all over him.

That said, I'd like JC to prove me and the rest of his doubters wrong. That would be wonderful! Nevertheless, until JC steps up to the next level or the Redskins find the right QB to lead them they're not going to be a dominant team.

It really doesn't matter what we think, his teammates see him as a leader so that's all that matters.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

It really doesn't matter what we think, his teammates see him as a leader so that's all that matters.

No, the number of W's is all that matters. I'll make you a deal: since I'm no QB expert, I'll try to hold my comments on JC and we can all judge his effectiveness during the upcoming season by the best measure I can think of - wins.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

No, the number of W's is all that matters. I'll make you a deal: since I'm no QB expert, I'll try to hold my comments on JC and we can all judge his effectiveness during the upcoming season by the best measure I can think of - wins.

So if wins is all that matters why did you bring up the leadership angle in the first place?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I think the plan exists and sort of is a two-phase concept. We saw phase one within about 48 hrs of FA. Al and Hall were preconceived and then Dock just fell into our laps like a gift from the Almighty... like Hall did last season. I bet that if Dock wasn't cut we'd have signed a different OL guy rather quickly, maybe the kid Willis. As it turned out I think we did the right thing.

Phase two requires patience. We don't have oodles of cash to spend and frankly there isn't a plethora of coveted talent on the market anyway. We'll get Daniels or another serviceable LDE, however I'd prefer big D back. I feel very confident we sign at least one more OL guy in FA; however, it won't surprise me if we wait till after the draft as it's predictable more quality vets will be cut due to their salary and the simple fact teams will have drafted franchise OTs. Where I see uncertainty is at OLB. Contrary to some of the talk I don't think there's a ton of depth and talent at the position in this year's draft. That means we have less to choose from, it also means other teams have less to choose from so they're less likely to part w/ expensive veterans we could sign and get a few productive seasons from. For this reason I think Vinny's smart move is to take an OLB w/ our first pick. Maybe a tweener OLB/DE as GTripp has mentioned.

As to the long-term... pfff, there's no plan. We've got an unproven HC and a QB yet to establish his franchise status. I think JC makes big progress via Zorn's tutelage this season, which obviously helps the offense. But the question mark(s) at WR are undeniable and w/o serious improvement from that group we won't be a contender for anything. Success allows for a plan. Continued struggles probably engender another changeover at HC/QB. As the Zen master says...

I agree with the short term plan portion, and also think Vinny and crew probably, hopefully, have looked at what veterans have roster bonuses due and are targeting one or two players for our needs. Like Goat pointed out, after the draft several teams will be re-evaluating their rosters, and hopefully, in addition to whoever we draft, we will fill out our team.
I think the long-term plan is with Zorn. DS has tried bringing in big name/high profile coaches, with little to no success, he brought back JG - still my favorite move under his ownership, and now he has a young coach, and I believe that unless Zorn just cracks, DS will do everything possible to develop this guy and therefore the team into a SB caliber contender.

Plainly stated, the Long Term plan is to develop a newb HC, understanding he is not a "legend" and will make mistakes, and let this team grow and develop under his leadership.

I doubt most fans really want to hear about long term plans: look at the recent threads "when do we cut MK & DT" in another the author of the OP of this thread who wants a plan, also wants to bring in a WR (Holt) who is in his 13th year and noticibly declining. I certainly have actions I would have liked to seen happen (Hunter, Hixon) but VC and DS, look at all the options coming up and don't always go with the fan favorite of the day. That IS a good thing.
So yes I believe there is a plan, both short and long term, I am also certain many of the choices will irritate and confuse me, because I am not privy to the details of those plans.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I doubt most fans really want to hear about long term plans: look at the recent threads "when do we cut MK & DT" in another the author of the OP of this thread who wants a plan, also wants to bring in a WR (Holt) who is in his 13th year and noticibly declining. I certainly have actions I would have liked to seen happen (Hunter, Hixon) but VC and DS, look at all the options coming up and don't always go with the fan favorite of the day. That IS a good thing.

Well, this is going to seem nitpicky, but it's important to realize that the thread came with a qualifier. It wasn't asking how quickly can we release these guys, it was basically asking how many zero production seasons we wait through before optimism gives way to reality. It's an important disctiction, because if both guys combine for 1,300 yards and 8 TDs this year, the entire thread premise is moot.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I agree with the short term plan portion, and also think Vinny and crew probably, hopefully, have looked at what veterans have roster bonuses due and are targeting one or two players for our needs. Like Goat pointed out, after the draft several teams will be re-evaluating their rosters, and hopefully, in addition to whoever we draft, we will fill out our team.
I think the long-term plan is with Zorn. DS has tried bringing in big name/high profile coaches, with little to no success, he brought back JG - still my favorite move under his ownership, and now he has a young coach, and I believe that unless Zorn just cracks, DS will do everything possible to develop this guy and therefore the team into a SB caliber contender.

Plainly stated, the Long Term plan is to develop a newb HC, understanding he is not a "legend" and will make mistakes, and let this team grow and develop under his leadership.

I doubt most fans really want to hear about long term plans: look at the recent threads "when do we cut MK & DT" in another the author of the OP of this thread who wants a plan, also wants to bring in a WR (Holt) who is in his 13th year and noticibly declining. I certainly have actions I would have liked to seen happen (Hunter, Hixon) but VC and DS, look at all the options coming up and don't always go with the fan favorite of the day. That IS a good thing.
So yes I believe there is a plan, both short and long term, I am also certain many of the choices will irritate and confuse me, because I am not privy to the details of those plans.

Theres no doubt that a portion of skins fans have no patience at all. I'm sure there's fans of every team like that. There's also a strong # of fans that are patient as well. I'll respectfully disagree about VC and DS though. They don't have a long term plan or if they do it's really hard to tell what it is. They tend not to "think ahead." Exhibit A...the coaching search. On second thought you know they have one, but who knows what it is.

At the end of the day it is what it is and I can't wait for the draft and the season.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by redsk1

Theres no doubt that a portion of skins fans have no patience at all. I'm sure there's fans of every team like that. There's also a strong # of fans that are patient as well. I'll respectfully disagree about VC and DS though. They don't have a long term plan or if they do it's really hard to tell what it is. They tend not to "think ahead." Exhibit A...the coaching search. On second thought you know they have one, but who knows what it is.

At the end of the day it is what it is and I can't wait for the draft and the season.

Exactly!!!

[terpsez11]

Originally Posted by redsk1

." Exhibit A...the coaching search. On second thought you know they have one, but who knows what it is.

At the end of the day it is what it is and I can't wait for the draft and the season.

Amen.. March is for College Basketball

the blogosphere contains so many wanna be journalists that think they are the bottom line..period..everything you..read and hear is filtered to contain somebody's bias..some hate Danny...some Vinnie..some everyone

but the majority know so little about anything that really goes on..except they play fantasy football and have a computer

[terpsez11]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I am one frustrated Redskins fan. Here's what I see.

We've gone back to the same bad habits that have cost us draft picks and cap space and that I believe will surely doom us to continued mediocrity. The Jason Taylor fiasco, another of our customary panic moves, cost us dearly in draft picks. Albert Haynesworth, as great as he is, represents a whopping chunk of our cap space which seems to have precluded our making other FA moves.

Meanwhile, we have holes to fill - big holes. We need a RT, a SLB, a RDE, OL backups, a Kicker, a Punter, a PR, and maybe more. Right now, it looks like we might bring back Daniels and Washington. That's nice, but, at this point in their careers they're only stop-gap solutions.

Even with Haynesworth, this doesn't look to me like a team that is poised to make a playoff run in the tough NFC East. Sure, I wanted Haynesworth, but what do I know? I'm just a dumb fan who loves to watch great football players do their thing in B&G. I don't need to have a plan. But shouldn't the FO have one? If they do, I just can't see it.

If you can detect a plan in all this, clue me in. Also, what do you think the plan should be?

...do you think the Falcons had a plan..or the Dolphins..and we didn't?...all they had was the loser's schedule and got lucky with Qbs that didn't lose more games than were won..

the plan has always been make a splash bring in the best you can and continue to sell tickets..
improve and like in any sport hope the stars align themselves ..football has 45
players..all with a role..you coach em up and play to win. ..we get a decent draw with the schedule this year...that will play as important a role as Jason Campbell proving that he wasn't just another mistake made at QB in Washington

[gully]

I'm a firm believer in trading down. If vinny can swing that like he should, it's a true sign that building through the draft has been adopted. That means giving up the opportunity to draft smith, possibly oher, rey, and Cushing for players we haven't even pondered. It's just the right thing to do. Note: new England has 3 2nds - tell me they won't trade their first and a second to pick up rey, I dare ya.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by gully

I'm a firm believer in trading down. If vinny can swing that like he should, it's a true sign that building through the draft has been adopted. That means giving up the opportunity to draft smith, possibly oher, rey, and Cushing for players we haven't even pondered. It's just the right thing to do. Note: new England has 3 2nds - tell me they won't trade their first and a second to pick up rey, I dare ya.

Uh, they won't.

[terpsez11]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Uh, they won't.

they should

[terpsez11]

Originally Posted by gully

I'm a firm believer in trading down. If vinny can swing that like he should, it's a true sign that building through the draft has been adopted. That means giving up the opportunity to draft smith, possibly oher, rey, and Cushing for players we haven't even pondered. It's just the right thing to do. Note: new England has 3 2nds - tell me they won't trade their first and a second to pick up rey, I dare ya.

I'm with you on that one...trade down.. to Tampa so they can get Sanchez and the Skins then take Larry English

then resign kendall.. sign Derrick Brooks to replace Marcus..I think Heyer will be ready to play opposite Samuels if he is committed to keep improving

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by terpsez11

I'm with you on that one...trade down.. to Tampa so they can get Sanchez and the Skins then take Larry English

then resign kendall.. sign Derrick Brooks to replace Marcus..I think Heyer will be ready to play opposite Samuels if he is committed to keep improving

Wait, build thru the draft by trading down and then sign an OLDER player than we just released? I'll let you figure out what's wrong here and get back to me.

[terpsez11]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Wait, build thru the draft by trading down and then sign an OLDER player than we just released? I'll let you figure out what's wrong here and get back to me.

English can be had later.. not cost as much..and fills one of the glaring needs
players get released for lots of reasons..(like the cap)

actually with Washington..and there is talk of bringing his bad ankles and knee problems back..so he can miss some more games

Brooks has something left in the tank..he contributed all 16 games last yr