Please Draft ??? at #13

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

My guess is Campbell would be part of any trade discussion

Though I know it won't ever happen, hypothetically, would it help or hurt JC's stock w/ other franchises at this point if he came out tomorrow asking to be traded? I'm just curious.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Though I know it won't ever happen, hypothetically, would it help or hurt JC's stock w/ other franchises at this point if he came out tomorrow asking to be traded? I'm just curious.

I don't know. I think GTripp once said that demanding a trade increases your value, or something like that. I do know, and it's not about demanding a trade necessarily, that the Redskins aren't the only team that wishes he wasn't so "calm" all the time. It's sort of strange, I know, but there are a lot of coaches and GMs out there who think he's flying a bit too much under the radar emotion wise.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't know. I think GTripp once said that demanding a trade increases your value, or something like that. I do know, and it's not about demanding a trade necessarily, that the Redskins aren't the only team that wishes he wasn't so "calm" all the time. It's sort of strange, I know, but there are a lot of coaches and GMs out there who think he's flying a bit too much under the radar emotion wise.

I think demanding a trade simply sets a market where there wasn't one before. In Campbell's case, I think it would increase his value in a trade because the Redskins haven't yet openly shopped him. If the Redskins do openly shop him, then the market is only what other teams bid it up to.

Generally speaking, it decreases trade value to openly ask for a trade, but it's a different dynamic for an "established" player than one with "potential".

Because the Broncos sold Jay Cutler as an "established" player, when the evidence suggested otherwise, they drove the market through the roof for him. Campbell has virtually the same statistical background, but because the Redskins failed to market him to the best of their ability, it becomes a buyers market, as opposed to a sellers market, if Campbell asks for a trade. Right now, it's no market at all.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't know. I think GTripp once said that demanding a trade increases your value, or something like that. I do know, and it's not about demanding a trade necessarily, that the Redskins aren't the only team that wishes he wasn't so "calm" all the time. It's sort of strange, I know, but there are a lot of coaches and GMs out there who think he's flying a bit too much under the radar emotion wise.

I know what u mean here. Part of the time I just applaud JC for staying calm and collected throughout this ordeal, the rest of the time i almost blame him for not demanding a trade away from the trainwreck that is Snyder/Cerrato. Honestly if I was a GM (for another franchise) I'd be wary of JC's conciliatory attitude toward his own franchise's behavior. Could it be Jason doesn't "eat, sleep and breath" professional football...when he sees all the crap going on around he just picks up the game controller or something?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

We're less than a week away from DECISION DAY 2009!!!

So, based on the players that are most often rumored to be our pick at #13 who would you MOST want us to draft. I know more names than these have been mentioned, just trying to keep the list tight.

(Doubtful Sanchez will be there at 13, but I threw him in there)

Remember, this isn't about trading up or down. This is we have the 13th pick, so we pick at 13. Who do you want?

If Orakpo is there i think he will have a great impact on the defense.
He could be that missing pass rush element that could turn our good defense into a aggressive pass rush turnover producing defense.
Imagine Orakpo playing next to Haynesworth....

But, in order to take him over an OT or LB you must have faith like me that:

1) Samuels will bounce back from his injury.
Heyer will to take hold of the RT spot.
Jansen can provide solid veteran depth.
-And you still must address the youth issue at OT later in the draft.
2) Chris Wilson and Blades will be steady at the SAM OLB spot

Rakpo-Rakpo-Rakpo-Rakpo-Rakpo
Does anyone really think he'll be there at 13?
i don't

[53Fan]

"He's proud of the guys they have here, and he thinks the world of Jason Campbell, that was obvious." Obvious?

[GTripp0012]

The only thing that really appears to be clear from this process is that the 5 year hiatus of Snyder intervention appears to be over for good. Even Joe Gibbs' mark on this team can't last forever.

Again, that's not a death sentence. But it is the very thing that got us in deep crap in the early part of the decade.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The only thing that really appears to be clear from this process is that the 5 year hiatus of Snyder intervention appears to be over for good. Even Joe Gibbs' mark on this team can't last forever.

Again, that's not a death sentence. But it is the very thing that got us in deep crap in the early part of the decade.

He has the same level of involvement that he had the past five years. He has always been part of the process (along with Cerrato and Gibbs/Zorn) in the final weeks leading up to the draft. The only difference between him and other owners is that not all other owners will attend the dinner with the "client" Instead they'll meet him the next day in their office.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

He has the same level of involvement that he had the past five years. He has always been part of the process (along with Cerrato and Gibbs/Zorn) in the final weeks leading up to the draft. The only difference between him and other owners is that not all other owners will attend the dinner with the "client" Instead they'll meet him the next day in their office.

Okay, but, the clear difference to me at least, is that being intricately involved in all processes while deferring to the football opinion of his coaches was a strong way to lead. I realize he was always around Gibbs, and Gibbs speaks highly of him. However, Zorn's opinion isn't carrying the same weight about Redskins Park. And without Gibbs there, it sure looks like Cerrato is having to answer to Snyder, and not Zorn, regarding scheme fits and stuff.

I mean, Blache never even really got a word in on Jason Taylor prior to the deal. I understand that was Cerrato's brainchild, but Cutler was CLEARLY Snyder, and I'm in agreement with you, if it was Cerrato's call, it's a no on Sanchez. I'm just not sure at the end of the day, it's not Cerrato making the case to Snyder (clear intervention), instead of Zorn making the case to Cerrato (non intervention).

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Okay, but, the clear difference to me at least, is that being intricately involved in all processes while deferring to the football opinion of his coaches was a strong way to lead. I realize he was always around Gibbs, and Gibbs speaks highly of him. However, Zorn's opinion isn't carrying the same weight about Redskins part. And without Gibbs there, it sure looks like Cerrato is having to answer to Snyder, and not Zorn, regarding scheme fits and stuff.

I mean, Blache never even really got a word in on Jason Taylor prior to the deal. I understand that was Cerrato's brainchild, but Cutler was CLEARLY Snyder, and I'm in agreement with you, if it was Cerrato's call, it's a no on Sanchez. I'm just not sure at the end of the day, it's not Cerrato making the case to Snyder (clear intervention), instead of Zorn making the case to Cerrato (non intervention).

From all I've gathered, Zorn is a lot more involved than I would have thought and Cerrato a lot less involved. And I think as far as those three are concerned, Blache got what he wanted with Haynesworth so they don't need his input as much right now (not until draft day).

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

From all I've gathered, Zorn is a lot more involved than I would have thought and Cerrato a lot less involved. And I think as far as those three are concerned, Blache got what he wanted with Haynesworth so they don't need his input as much right now (not until draft day).

And Hall got re-signed, something Blache really wanted too, right?

[Dirtbag59]

Wow, very lonely here in Mark Sanchez's corner.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Wow, very lonely here in Mark Sanchez's corner.

Even lonelier in Beanie Wells' corner (seriously, I want to draft a running back...not at 13 though. Give me Rashad Jennings in the 5th)

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Wow, very lonely here in Mark Sanchez's corner.

How could you man

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by The Goat

How could you man

Don't judge me. It's not everyday a QB with the same first name as you comes along. Or is it? I dunno. Actually can I change my vote for Oherakopo?