Campbell will ask for trade if Redskins draft a QB

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

But it's interesting how almost everyone is convinced that we're ruining everything by taking Sanchez.

I don't think a potential Sanchez move in and of itself is the problem. It's that with the Cutler push, and now this, it's clear that Dan Snyder is 100% back to his old ways of getting very involved in player personnel decisions.

I don't get the logic of even considering giving up a pick package for a young QB, as good as he may be, when you already have a pretty good QB AND you have pressing needs at OT and LB. But to me that's the small picture here.

The big picture is Danny boy is back. Gibbs put him in hiding for a few years, but those days are gone. I don't like Snyder making player decisions, it has rarely worked out well because he fails to acknowledge how much of a team sport football really is.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I don't think a potential Sanchez move in and of itself is the problem. It's that with the Cutler push, and now this, it's clear that Dan Snyder is 100% back to his old ways of getting very involved in player personnel decisions.

I don't get the logic of even considering giving up a pick package for a young QB, as good as he may be, when you already have a pretty good QB AND you have pressing needs at OT and LB. But to me that's the small picture here.

The big picture is Danny boy is back. Gibbs put him in hiding for a few years, but those days are gone. I don't like Snyder making player decisions, it has rarely worked out well because he fails to acknowledge how much of a team sport football really is.

I'm starting to think that Danny never went away in regard to personnel.

Under Gibbs I think the impression was that he was in control, but in reality Gibbs never said I'm calling the shots, he always referred to a joint decision making process with Danny and Vinny and the coaches.

Perhaps we all just wanted to think Danny wasn't involved, but I'm starting to think he's been involved all along and never really took a significant step back. The presence of Gibbs just made us feel better about it.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm starting to think that Danny never went away in regard to personnel.

Under Gibbs I think the impression was that he was in control, but in reality Gibbs never said I'm calling the shots, he always referred to a joint decision making process with Danny and Vinny and the coaches.

Perhaps we all just wanted to think Danny wasn't involved, but I'm starting to think he's been involved all along and never really took a significant step back. The presence of Gibbs just made us feel better about it.

I don't think he's really much more or less involved than he ever was. But it's a myth that his involvement means others aren't. Seems that people think Zorn is vacationing on some island while everything is happening and he has no input in anything. Zorn isn't Steve Spurrier. He's very involved.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well even Zorn said when he was hired that new offenses every year was unfortunate for Campbell, but not an excuse. He's an NFL QB so he has to be prepared to adjust. Whether you agree or not, I don't know how sympathetic Zorn was/is to Campbell.

But no one actually thinks Sanchez could be really good, or that Campbell may not reach a much higher level? I mean I'd prefer to keep Campbell for at least one more year. But it's interesting how almost everyone is convinced that we're ruining everything by taking Sanchez.

I can't speak for everyone SS, but this is why I have a problem with drafting Sanchez. I don't agree with everything we've done in the last year but it seems we were on the right course. We improved ourselves in Free Agency. Campbell improved in Zorns first year and showed glimpses of what we'd like to see. Our rookies have a year under their belts. We've identified our needs...O-Line-OLB, and DE. My own expectations were that in Zorns second year, we would get some o-line and pass rushing help in the draft, add some youth, and build on what Campbell had learned his first year. Now Sanchez may be good. Personally I think he has as much chance to join our Biggest Bust List as he does of being a good QB. And why take that chance right now? If we've identified our biggest needs as O-Line, DE, and OLB, why are we drafting a QB when it hasn't been identifed as one of our biggest needs with our #1 pick and giving up (in all likelyhood) needed draft choices to get him? It's not like he has Peyton Manning written all over him. Even Matthew Stafford is rated higher than him by most experts. If we improve our team in the draft at the positions of need and Campbell does'nt work out this year, we can always draft a QB next year and he can come to a team that is better prepared to win. Like I said, Sanchez may be a good QB, but we still have'nt addressed our positions of need if we trade away the limited amount of picks we have for him, and if he's not....which is something I think any FO should consider, what then?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Snyderatto has burned this bridge beyond repair in my opinion. I'm beginning to believe that Zorn might be building Campbell up to his face but tearing him down to the FO. My gut instinct with the Zorn hire was that the FO must give Campbell at least 2 years to assimilate yet another offensive system, yet it appears that in typical Snyder fashion, we are going to change up at the most important position on the team. I was convinced that Campbell would be our QB for 10 years, but nothing is ever a given with the instability this owner brings to the franchise. I will be completely disgusted if we mortgage yet more draft picks to select Sanchez.

Well how does anyone even know if this is Snyder or Zorn who says JC is not the QB to lead this team? I have watched just about ever snap that JC has taken and while he is an OK QB he has not shown me anything to say he is the man to lead this team. I don't think many will argue that Zorn knows the QB job and thats why I'm thinking this is coming more from him then Snyder. Heck last year I saw more from several rokie QB's that impressed me alot more then anything that JC has done. I was at the Giant game two years back when they beat us around game 3 or 4 and then went on to win the SB. That game in my opinion was lost because JC dumped off pass after pass when he had guys wide open 15 to 20 yeards down field. It did not happen ones or twice but more like 8 to 10 times and even my wife asked why he was not throwing to the guys wide open down field. I just think that JC has a problem with locking onto a WR in alot of games but then in the next game he will see the whole field.

[T.O.Killa]

If we trade up to get Sanchez are we going to here that we were set up and could have picked him at 13?

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

If we trade up to get Sanchez are we going to here that we were set up and could have picked him at 13?

Why do we really need or want to move up in this years draft. Why risk paying so much money to a QB that had only 1 full year as a stater at USC.
I like Sanchez as a person but our team doesn't and cant afford to waste a high draft pick on a QB when you have a decent QB in Campbell. When you have only 5 picks you better get it right or our team is not much better than last season. We are paying for giving up picks the last few years for free agents that have not worked out... Good Job front office...

[724Skinsfan]

That's true, Lotus. Also, Jason could have simply responded to a "If they draft a QB would you ask for a trade?" question.

Okay, my five minutes of quasi-panic are over. I'm back to "draft for immediate need" mindset now. I actually think we'll try to trade down and secure 2 lineman (OT and DE) and a linebacker by the end of the 3rd round. If we stay at 13, I think we'll grab a USC LBer.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

I'm back to "draft for immediate need" mindset now. I actually think we'll try to trade down and secure 2 lineman (OT and DE) and a linebacker by the end of the 3rd round.

I would be so happy if this happens. It's the best case scenario and the smartest thing the front office could do.

Therefore. "Welcome to the team Mr. Sanchez!"

[redskins1974]

JC leaving DC would make it a great weekend! I am so tired of his lackluster play.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by redskins1974

JC leaving DC would make it a great weekend! I am so tired of his lackluster play.

Oh you mean like Jeff George, Shane Matthews, Tony Banks, John Friez, Pat Ramsey, Danny Wuerfel, etc....

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by redskins1974

JC leaving DC would make it a great weekend! I am so tired of his lackluster play.

Be careful what you wish for!!!!!!!!! I am not really sold on JC being our next true franchise guy, but I know he is a good enough QB to at least keep him around to get his final grade so to speak. Sanchez only had been the man for only one season in USC. Pete Carroll even said he wasn't ready for the NFL. A Brennan and Sanchez mix would possibly relive 1994-5 with Schuler and Frerotte. Good ole Gus gave it his best, but it wasn't enough. What happens if Brennan isn't the guy either? Sure he has most of the NCAA passing records, but they were padded stats with the weak ass whack jobs Hawaii played. Shoot, I could probably get a team of local ex jocks around my area together and post at least a 11-1 record playing a Hawaii schedule. As for Sanchez, he was surrounded by a totally stacked team playing in a weak ass conference himself. Also USC doesn't have a good rep for QB play in the NFL for the longest time. Why is that? When you are a QB on a team totally stacked with talent, even an average QB looks damn good!!!!! ALso keeping the fossil Collins around isn't cool either unless you are prepared to make him the starter!!!! IS that what you want?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Be careful what you wish for!!!!!!!!! I am not really sold on JC being our next true franchise guy, but I know he is a good enough QB to at least keep him around to get his final grade so to speak. Sanchez only had been the man for only one season in USC. Pete Carroll even said he wasn't ready for the NFL. A Brennan and Sanchez mix would possibly relive 1994-5 with Schuler and Frerotte. Good ole Gus gave it his best, but it wasn't enough. What happens if Brennan isn't the guy either? Sure he has most of the NCAA passing records, but they were padded stats with the weak ass whack jobs Hawaii played. Shoot, I could probably get a team of local ex jocks around my area together and post at least a 11-1 record playing a Hawaii schedule. As for Sanchez, he was surrounded by a totally stacked team playing in a weak ass conference himself. Also USC doesn't have a good rep for QB play in the NFL for the longest time. Why is that? When you are a QB on a team totally stacked with talent, even an average QB looks damn good!!!!! ALso keeping the fossil Collins around isn't cool either unless you are prepared to make him the starter!!!! IS that what you want?

Another Gus mention... unbelievable.

Are you related to him or something? I don't get the fascination.

[redskins1974]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Be careful what you wish for!!!!!!!!! I am not really sold on JC being our next true franchise guy, but I know he is a good enough QB to at least keep him around to get his final grade so to speak. Sanchez only had been the man for only one season in USC. Pete Carroll even said he wasn't ready for the NFL. A Brennan and Sanchez mix would possibly relive 1994-5 with Schuler and Frerotte. Good ole Gus gave it his best, but it wasn't enough. What happens if Brennan isn't the guy either? Sure he has most of the NCAA passing records, but they were padded stats with the weak ass whack jobs Hawaii played. Shoot, I could probably get a team of local ex jocks around my area together and post at least a 11-1 record playing a Hawaii schedule. As for Sanchez, he was surrounded by a totally stacked team playing in a weak ass conference himself. Also USC doesn't have a good rep for QB play in the NFL for the longest time. Why is that? When you are a QB on a team totally stacked with talent, even an average QB looks damn good!!!!! ALso keeping the fossil Collins around isn't cool either unless you are prepared to make him the starter!!!! IS that what you want?

Well, that fossil Collins took us to the playoffs a couple of years ago. I believe we were 5-7 with JC and Collins ran the table (4-0) to finish 9-7.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by redskins1974

Well, that fossil Collins took us to the playoffs a couple of years ago. I believe we were 5-7 with JC and Collins ran the table (4-0) to finish 9-7.

Dude, that fossil Collins is just that a fossil and probably would get broken in half by the end of the full 16 game schedule. A 4 game stretch is nice, but a whole season it doth not make!!!!!!