Mancow Waterboarded, Admits It's Torture

[saden1]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Sure, we are, "attempting to allow the people of Afghanistan to control their own country and form a stable democracy." However, the study shows our efforts (U.S. military intervention) are, "at best inadequate, at worst counter-productive, and, on the whole, infeasible."

So, we need to change what we're doing. In essence, we need to abandon, "U.S. military intervention and occupation in the Muslim world." Instead, we should, "focus [our] priorities on improving 'civil governance' and building 'local security forces,' according to the report, referring to those steps as 'capabilities that have been lacking in Iraq and Afghanistan.'"

That is what the study says.

I think it says compassion is the path to peace and righteousness . If special forces could eliminate terrorism they would have. Special forces is a precision tool whose value in the short term I am not willing to deny but in the long term it is worthless if you're dealing with free range lemmings.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

I think it says compassion is the path to peace and righteousness . If special forces could eliminate terrorism they would have. Special forces is a precision tool whose value in the short term I am not willing to deny but in the longer term it is worthless if you're dealing with free range lemmings.

Dang I laughed so hard when I read your first line the others in my office wanted to hear the joke. Thats what Obama has been saying about Iran and N Korea and every day they are testing new stuff like never before. What to fear anymore? The UN.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

So, we need to change what we're doing. In essence, we need to abandon, "U.S. military intervention and occupation in the Muslim world." Instead, we should, "focus [our] priorities on improving 'civil governance' and building 'local security forces,' according to the report, referring to those steps as 'capabilities that have been lacking in Iraq and Afghanistan.'"

That is what the study says.

OK, we agree on what the study says.

From my post: This study simply states that "nation building" in the long term is more effective than the current strategy (boots on the ground being targets). from the article "It says massive military interventions against insurgencies usually fail." No argument here, we are facing an uphill climb.

However, "we" (the U.S.) shouldn't be in the business of nation-building. Unfortunately at this point we are stuck getting Iraq and Afghanistan stabilized, but this shouldn't be our policy going forward. I don't think a big group hug with Al Qaeda and other Muslim extremists is going to help the situation either.

[Zerohero]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

OK, we agree on what the study says.

From my post: This study simply states that "nation building" in the long term is more effective than the current strategy (boots on the ground being targets). from the article "It says massive military interventions against insurgencies usually fail." No argument here, we are facing an uphill climb.

However, "we" (the U.S.) shouldn't be in the business of nation-building. Unfortunately at this point we are stuck getting Iraq and Afghanistan stabilized, but this shouldn't be our policy going forward. I don't think a big group hug with Al Qaeda and other Muslim extremists is going to help the situation either.

While it shouldn't, this is gonna be going on for years to come. Iraq and Aftgan are not even done, and NKorea and Iran will soon be in the works. On the brightside it should help provide more jobs.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

OK, we agree on what the study says.

From my post: This study simply states that "nation building" in the long term is more effective than the current strategy (boots on the ground being targets). from the article "It says massive military interventions against insurgencies usually fail." No argument here, we are facing an uphill climb.

However, "we" (the U.S.) shouldn't be in the business of nation-building. Unfortunately at this point we are stuck getting Iraq and Afghanistan stabilized, but this shouldn't be our policy going forward. I don't think a big group hug with Al Qaeda and other Muslim extremists is going to help the situation either.

If we are in Iraq and Afghanistan for "national security reasons", then we should be in the business of nation-building -- unless we want to fail, because occupation is not working.

[firstdown]

Last night I waterboarded myself and it was not that bad.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Last night I waterboarded myself and it was not that bad.

I drowned myself if Alcohol a few times.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Interesting...

Mancow Waterboarded, Admits It's Torture | NBC Chicago

He had a follow-up statement today

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[RedskinRat]

Violence always works when applied correctly. Complete and utter destruction.

Skynet, anyone?

[TheSmurfs22]

Waterboarding is downright minor compared to what goes on in third world countries. Would you rather suffer genital mutilation, and limbs removed, stoned to death etc..
My brother-in-law onced described the very interesting things they do with telephone books and the back of the neck, makes waterboarding look like a day at Disney.
I do agree that if our soldiers have done horrible things to innocent Iraqis then they should be accountable but lets face it, 99.9% of those wearing the uniform are honorable individuals (one happens to be my brother and the other my bro-in-law).

[70Chip]

Has anyone posted this?

Gawker - Did Erich 'Mancow' Muller Fake His Waterboarding for Publicity? - mancow

[Miller101]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

Has anyone posted this?

Gawker - Did Erich 'Mancow' Muller Fake His Waterboarding for Publicity? - mancow

Typical conservative propaganda.......................One of their own admits he was wrong. One of their own says that "this was worse then drowning". And now his fellow conservatives are saying that it was a set up and start discrediting him. Don't these conservatives realize that this doesn't work anymore? Don't they realize that everyone saw the videotape? You know if they keep on doing this then we'll see a 75% majority in the house and senate shortly.

[hooskins]

This whole argument is stupid. The point is we are waterboarding innocent people. That is the problem with torture IMO. I don't we have the right to do this to people who don't deserve it.

It is easy for you all to say that is a price we have to pay, because we aren't in their shoes. After we capture OSama, yes let's waterboard the heck outta him, but a lot of the people could be innocent.

Also it is proven these methods are not always effective. When being waterboarded you agree to almost anything just to make it stop. People even make up stories.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by hooskins

This whole argument is stupid. The point is we are waterboarding innocent people. That is the problem with torture IMO. I don't we have the right to do this to people who don't deserve it.

It is easy for you all to say that is a price we have to pay, because we aren't in their shoes. After we capture Obama, yes let's waterboard the heck outta him, but a lot of the people could be innocent.

Also it is proven these methods are not always effective. When being waterboarded you agree to almost anything just to make it stop. People even make up stories.

The freudian slip of 2009

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The freudian slip of 2009

Haha damn it. My conservative subconscious is creeping up.