Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals

[MTK]

Maybe my memory is fuzzy this morning due to this massive head cold I'm battling, but I don't recall people in this much of an uproar over Big Ben's deal that was quite similar. Not talking about opinions just here but in the media and public in general.

Both are the same kind of QB to me, guys who's numbers aren't anything special but they just seem to play their best when the chips are on the line, and they are good fits with their respective teams. I don't have a huge problem with Eli's deal at all.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Maybe my memory is fuzzy this morning due to this massive head cold I'm battling, but I don't recall people in this much of an uproar over Big Ben's deal that was quite similar. Not talking about opinions just here but in the media and public in general.

Both are the same kind of QB to me, guys who's numbers aren't anything special but they just seem to play their best when the chips are on the line, and they are good fits with their respective teams. I don't have a huge problem with Eli's deal at all.

I don't think Ben and Eli are similar at all. I do think Ben is somewhat over-rated but he rarely, if ever that I can recall, has played poorly. He is a solid no frills QB who makes the throws you ask of him and benfits from a good line.

By contrast Eli has often played badly. He actually has a little better physical upside but with it he can sometimes make better plays than Ben and many times makes bad plays with it.

I think JC is actually a better comparison to Big Ben than Eli by a good bit.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I don't think Ben and Eli are similar at all. I do think Ben is somewhat over-rated but he rarely, if ever that I can recall, has played poorly. He is a solid no frills QB who makes the throws you ask of him and benfits from a good line.

By contrast Eli has often played badly. He actually has a little better physical upside but with it he can sometimes make better plays than Ben and many times makes bad plays with it.

I think JC is actually a better comparison to Big Ben than Eli by a good bit.

Look at their numbers:

Eli: 14,623 yards, 98-74 TD to INT, 42-29 W-L record, 1 SB win

Ben: 14,974 yards, 101-69 TD to INT, 51-20 W-L record, 2 SB wins

JC: 7,242 yards, 35-23 TD to INT, 16-20 W-L record, no playoff appearances

Not sure how JC compares to either frankly.

Ben has his share of bad throws and games but for some reason people seem to be willing to give him a pass.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Look at their numbers:

Eli: 14,623 yards, 98-74 TD to INT, 42-29 W-L record, 1 SB win

Ben: 14,974 yards, 101-69 TD to INT, 51-20 W-L record, 2 SB wins

JC: 7,242 yards, 35-23 TD to INT, 16-20 W-L record, no playoff appearances

Not sure how JC compares to either frankly.

Ben has his share of bad throws and games but for some reason people seem to be willing to give him a pass.

I meant more stylistically.

[dmek25]

as much as i hate to say it, Manning wins. its just something that some Qbacks have. shall i say the IT factor

[coggs]

I obviously am not going to respond to each point. Is Eli worth that kind of money? No. He obviously has to prove he can do it without Burress, but with the young core of receivers they have, I believe he can do it. 2) improve red zone efficiency- too many damn short fg's last year. The play-off game against the Eagles, 3 FG's, 2 missed FG's. Get 2 of those into the endzone and you are not in desperation mode in the 4th quarter. 3) Pass in the wind at the Meadowlands. The game against the Skins 2 years ago (although the play calling was the bigger problem), both eagles games last season.

Watching Mike and Mike in the morning. They have Kuselias and Herm Edwards on. Talking about Eli's contract and Kuselias named a bumch of QB's to ask Herm who he'd rather have. Brady, Peyton, McNabb, Big Ben, Brees, Palmer and so on. Named about 15 QB's. It was 50-50 whether he'd take Eli or the other guy. Funny thing is, Campbell wasn't even mentioned.

As for the Giants D, you people are ridiculously under estimating the talent the Giants have and you will see it come Sept 13th.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by coggs

I obviously am not going to respond to each point. Is Eli worth that kind of money? No. He obviously has to prove he can do it without Burress, but with the young core of receivers they have, I believe he can do it. 2) improve red zone efficiency- too many damn short fg's last year. The play-off game against the Eagles, 3 FG's, 2 missed FG's. Get 2 of those into the endzone and you are not in desperation mode in the 4th quarter. 3) Pass in the wind at the Meadowlands. The game against the Skins 2 years ago (although the play calling was the bigger problem), both eagles games last season.

I think some pundits out there are saying that the Giants could have easily waited to see if Eli could pull it off without Burress before giving him such a big deal. If you know the New York media any better, you know they are going to bring this up in the Giants' first loss this season.

Originally Posted by coggs

As for the Giants D, you people are ridiculously under estimating the talent the Giants have and you will see it come Sept 13th.

I doubt anyone is underestimating the Giants D and if they are well then it is a very biased/rivalry-based opinion. As I said in my long a$$ post in another thread, the Giants and Redskins are pretty equal due to changes in the offseason (Giants off losses, Redskins def acquisitions); however given the homefield they will have in the first game, it would not surprise me if they win. However, I think it will be a low scoring/defensive battle.

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by coggs

I obviously am not going to respond to each point. Is Eli worth that kind of money? No. He obviously has to prove he can do it without Burress, but with the young core of receivers they have, I believe he can do it. 2) improve red zone efficiency- too many damn short fg's last year. The play-off game against the Eagles, 3 FG's, 2 missed FG's. Get 2 of those into the endzone and you are not in desperation mode in the 4th quarter. 3) Pass in the wind at the Meadowlands. The game against the Skins 2 years ago (although the play calling was the bigger problem), both eagles games last season.

Watching Mike and Mike in the morning. They have Kuselias and Herm Edwards on. Talking about Eli's contract and Kuselias named a bumch of QB's to ask Herm who he'd rather have. Brady, Peyton, McNabb, Big Ben, Brees, Palmer and so on. Named about 15 QB's. It was 50-50 whether he'd take Eli or the other guy. Funny thing is, Campbell wasn't even mentioned.

As for the Giants D, you people are ridiculously under estimating the talent the Giants have and you will see it come Sept 13th.

That kind of money that he is going to make should be reserved for the very best players at any given position. I'm not sure you could get anyone to say he is the very best qb in the league. He is making the kind of money that you give to players who are game changers. Players that can win games seemingly by themselves(think Peyton, Brady). One thing is for sure, the pressure is on now. NY is a pressure cooker anyway, now it will be magnified. If he succeeds, all is well. If he even plays average, NY fans will be calling for his head.

Anyway, I say good for you eli.

[coggs]

I guess you can't read very well, ghetto. I have already said the Super Bowl was a full team effort, and rambled off about 7 guys who could have also been the MVP. I have never in my life said, Eli won that game for the Giants.

Yes, they do have the best OLine, who do you think is better? As for the D, they only team that anyone with a brain can argue is better is Pittsburgh and the Giants beat them in Pittsburgh last year. Although the Steelers winning it all trumps that.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by coggs

I guess you can't read very well, ghetto. I have already said the Super Bowl was a full team effort, and rambled off about 7 guys who could have also been the MVP. I have never in my life said, Eli won that game for the Giants.

Yes, they do have the best OLine, who do you think is better? As for the D, they only team that anyone with a brain can argue is better is Pittsburgh and the Giants beat them in Pittsburgh last year. Although the Steelers winning it all trumps that.

I'm not sure about that.

NY is loaded on the DL, although who knows if Canty will produce much in switching to a 4-3 tackle position. But beyond the front 4 the NYG defense is not as accomplished. At linebacker NY is suspect, even if Boley recovers from injury satisfactorily, because Pierce has become a liability in coverage. There is no certainty that you guys have a real player at SLB, although the one good thing that I can say about the Giants is that they draft from U. Virginia. In the secondary, Ross, Dockery, and Johnson have all struggled.

[SmootSmack]

How much do you guys think Snyder will sign Phillip Rivers for next off-season?

Seriously though, Rivers should get a massive paycheck now

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

How much do you guys think Snyder will sign Phillip Rivers for next off-season?

Seriously though, Rivers should get a massive paycheck now

I feel that Rivers is worth more than Eli, but I cannot see SD one upping NY. Rivers will get paid in the same ballbark, but no more.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Angry

I feel that Rivers is worth more than Eli, but I cannot see SD one upping NY. Rivers will get paid in the same ballbark, but no more.

They won't be paying him then. Rivers is going to break the bank. If Eli is worth this then (barring major changes to salary structuring pursuant to a new CBA) Rivers is going to fetch more like 6-7 for 110-130 mill including 40+ signing bonus. No doubt. Phillip just peed himself a little.

[MTK]

The Chargers won't let him sniff the open market, but if they did and the Skins were in need of a QB, watch out.

[PennSkinsFan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The Chargers won't let him sniff the open market, but if they did and the Skins were in need of a QB, watch out.

Especially after choosing Rivers over Brees. My bet is, they extend during the season. And they should. More interesting things is, what if JC has a decent season. Do we sign during the season? Are the bridges burned? I think the JC watch as far as if he plays well and his future is an interesting scenario to unwrap.