'Bring the Pain' Stepping away from the panic button, slowly

[over the mountain]

im not panicing but yesterday certainly hurt alot b/c we didnt get the answers and improvement we were expecting right away.

- defense pressuring the opposing qb
- passing game stretched the field to loosen things up for portis
- JC making quicker decisions/looking more comfortable with zorns offense
- zorn trusting his players (JC and O line) enough to open up the play book alil

none of these areas looked any different than last year.

i also think this team will put together some kind of winning streak at some point in the season, I just hope we can stay close to .500 until things start clicking for us.

go skins!!

[skinsnut]

Ok...here are my thoughts.
Not much has changed since the end of last year.
You just witnessed a typical 6-10 type team.
Outcoached, outplayed in Offense, Defense...probably beat them in special teams though.
We were essentially dominated...except the Giants cant get TD's when close...just like us.

What are the issues?
You got it....passing game suspect, pass rush a bit suspect...but a bit better.
Can't stop opposing offense on long drives in the 4th when losing.
QB takes too long to throw.
But the biggest of all of these is lack of creative playcalling.

Outside of offensive line injuries last year (which I think is a bit of a scapegoat approach). Zorn's offense can be easily game planned. There is very little creativity.
The bottom line is that when you cannot throw deep effectively, you need to use misdirection to get the Dline to slow and to get 8 out of the box.
I happen to like the ARE play...perhaps it was at the wrong time, and it was poorly executive, but it showed intention to take risks to win. Unfortunately, other than the special teams fake FG. There was very little to shake things up offensively.
Zorn should use Shotgun, Hurry up....which Campbell excels at and also eliminated Dline rotations. Sweeps, reverses, Screens of all sorts, draws, play action, etc.
Where is the 2 TE set?, Where were the rookie WR? is Campbell afraid to throw to them?
Why not bench Santana and throw in one of the Big guys when he is being shut down?
Where are the 2nd half adjustments?
I haven't seen them yet under Zorn.

Also...why not attack the Giant's weakness....they had a starting corner out...did anyone even notice?

Most of this game exposed our weaknesses in Roster....but a good coach with good playcalling can cover most of those and attack the weaknesses of opponents.
This did not happen...
I am more disappointed with coaching than the players at this point.
That is what worries me the most right now

[JWsleep]

I don't know. The way it looked to me was that the gints rolled their safeties to the outside to protect their CBs, and Zorn/Campbell hit the intermediate middle for lots of plays. ARE and Cooley had big days.

But the odd thing is that Zorn didn't stick to his WC system ENOUGH, IMO. Why run Portis on 1st down? Because, hey, you've got a 1400 yard back, Buges as a line coach, it's the NFC east, you've got to control ToP, etc. That looked like Gibbs II, not the WC. I think maybe we need to move away a bit from the Buges/Gibbs stuff and throw to set up the run. We haven't done enough of that yet.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

I don't know. The way it looked to me was that the gints rolled their safeties to the outside to protect their CBs, and Zorn/Campbell hit the intermediate middle for lots of plays. ARE and Cooley had big days.

But the odd thing is that Zorn didn't stick to his WC system ENOUGH, IMO. Why run Portis on 1st down? Because, hey, you've got a 140 yard back, Buges as a line coach, it's the NFC east, you've got to control ToP, etc. That looked like Gibbs II, not the WC. I think maybe we need to move away a bit from the Buges/Gibbs stuff and throw to set up the run. We haven't done enough of that yet.

Yep, I'm with you here. Time to dump the delusion that we're a power running team. We haven't been that way since Riggins retired.

We have all these receivers, two pass catching tight ends, and a running back that can block. Even though the deep accuracy isn't always there, we have a QB with an arm like a howitzer. Put Campbell in the shotgun and throw it 65% of the time. Run the ball to change things up and to put away the oppenent with a safe lead. But throw the damn ball, and throw it with purpose.

[JWsleep]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Yep, I'm with you here. Time to dump the delusion that we're a power running team. We haven't been that way since Riggins retired.

We have all these receivers, two pass catching tight ends, and a running back that can block. Even though the deep accuracy isn't always there, we have a QB with an arm like a howitzer. Put Campbell in the shotgun and throw it 65% of the time. Run the ball to change it up and to put away the oppenent with a safe lead. But throw the damn ball, and throw it with purpose.

Right on. Just what I'd like to see.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

Right on. Just what I'd like to see.

Romo connected on a 70 yard TD pass to Roy Williams and the ball only traveled through the air around 15 yards. We don't need to throw the ball 50-70 yards in the air to have a big play. Everything seems to be either a 5-10 yard dink or a bomb that misses terribly. Where's are the intermediate plays? The YAC?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Romo connected on a 70 yard TD pass to Roy Williams and the ball only traveled through the air around 15 yards. We don't need to throw the ball 50-70 yards in the air to have a big play. Everything seems to be either a 5-10 yard dink or a bomb that misses terribly. Where's are the intermediate plays? The YAC?

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[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Yep, I'm with you here. Time to dump the delusion that we're a power running team. We haven't been that way since Riggins retired.

We have all these receivers, two pass catching tight ends, and a running back that can block. Even though the deep accuracy isn't always there, we have a QB with an arm like a howitzer. Put Campbell in the shotgun and throw it 65% of the time. Run the ball to change things up and to put away the oppenent with a safe lead. But throw the damn ball, and throw it with purpose.

Nice post man. We have the weapons to be a passing team...use them. Right now I have no idea what we're suppose to be.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Nice post man. We have the weapons to be a passing team...use them. Right now I have no idea what we're suppose to be.

They weapons aren't effective if you dont have the ammo. We need to find the ammo for our weapons. Lets hope our coaches can get it right this week againt the Lams.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

I don't know. The way it looked to me was that the gints rolled their safeties to the outside to protect their CBs, and Zorn/Campbell hit the intermediate middle for lots of plays. ARE and Cooley had big days.

But the odd thing is that Zorn didn't stick to his WC system ENOUGH, IMO. Why run Portis on 1st down? Because, hey, you've got a 1400 yard back, Buges as a line coach, it's the NFC east, you've got to control ToP, etc. That looked like Gibbs II, not the WC. I think maybe we need to move away a bit from the Buges/Gibbs stuff and throw to set up the run. We haven't done enough of that yet.

I almost don't have a problem with the team trying to run so much. It wears down the defense, but by mid to late 3rd quarter they needed to dump the run and pass only to catch up and surpass the Giants. but what I do have a problem with is teams know to stop the Skins all they have to do is stop the run. Force us to go to the air. Until the Skins can step back and throw the ball down field either intermediate or long to force the other team to pull back off the line more often this is what we are going to see.

Then the announcers simply had to rub it in saying the first time defensive co-ordinator is doing a great job with no name mediocre talent. "He's got them playing together."

and yes the lack of adjustment is pissing me off also.

[MTK]

I would have liked to have seen a few more 1st and 2nd down pass plays. I think Zorn was a little too cautious.

[44Deezel]

Has anyone stopped to consider the possibility that the Giants aren't that good? They were 1-3 to finish last season and haven't done much to upgrade their personnel, although we made their Wide Receivers look like pro-bowlers. I saw lots of comments predicting the demise of the Giants due the loss of Plaxico (which I didn't buy for a second... or the junk about Romo missing TO for that matter, but whatever).

What if the Skins just got beaten up by an 8-8 or 9-7 team?

[Hamoskinz]

Not at all surprised at the folks hitting the panic button after the first game. Just like last year, the mob was ready to lynch Zorn & Campbell following the Gints defeat.

I am optimistic about the season. JC showed me that he can move the ball, consistently and more than 7 yards. I knew ARE would excel in the slot but yesterday was a pleasant surprise. JC just has to spread the ball more, they doubled Moss so I'm sure Kelly could use some love. JC also looked good last year in the shotgun, and I hope Zorn calls a bit more passing plays, I feel JC can improve his game as we go along.

Our tackling is on & off. We seem to make great stops or spot tackles at times and look like a bunch of poofters trying to catch a slippery eel on another. However, I take my hat off to Fletcher - the guy is the epitome of a 'tackling machine'. Landry, Carter, Smoot and Hall should take some of their salary and pay that man for doing their jobs for them.

Hunter the punter. I thought his first punt was BS, 38 yards but I realise you need hang time to allow your chasers to get there, Thanks to him, Hixon was nullified yesterday. Shuisham kick offs I though were terrible. Kicking to the 13 or 15 yd line is giving the the returner a great headstart so even if its just a 20yd run, they are in good field position!

Another thing I'm glad about is how we bottled up Jacobs. He can run all over the Eagles, Cowboys etc... but against us, he is going nowhere.

[wilsowilso]

Has anyone today discussed two Santana Moss plays that were very very confusing.

The first play was the failed Randel El pass play. The replays clearly show Moss running 3/4 speed and very tentative in his route. The second play in question was the one deep throw of the day. Once again the replay reveals Moss running 3/4 speed and this time he just looks like he has no real interest in the evolution of the play itself.

What gives?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Has anyone today discussed two Santana Moss plays that were very very confusing.

The first play was the failed Randel El pass play. The replays clearly show Moss running 3/4 speed and very tentative in his route. The second play in question was the one deep throw of the day. Once again the replay reveals Moss running 3/4 speed and this time he just looks like he has no real interest in the evolution of the play itself.

What gives?

Very disappointed in Moss yesterday. Half assed on a couple of routes as you mentioned. Actually on he second one, it looked like he and Campbell simply weren't on the same page (which is pretty inexcusable at this point in their time together). And he basically let his own personal agenda with Webster get in the way of leading the team.