Here's our chance for Jeff Fisher

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

Even wiith all teh dumb moves he has made Jerry has brought 3 rings to this franchise and brought it back from it's worst spot in history.

What has Danny do to your franchise other than sue his fans

you are one of the only cowboy fans that I have heard that gives Jerry credit for bringing those three rings. True they were earned after he bought the team but not really won by his GM moves.

I've said this before, but hey I like to read my own words, so here it goes:

DS and JJ are a very interesting compare/contrast case study.
The basic similarities:

Both bought major sports teams rich in tradition. Both are marketing saavy, even gurus. Both have teams that are in the middle of LONG SB droughts. Both have extreme egos. Both like to meddle. Both want to achieve long term successful franchise status.(some may argue it, but i believe it and it's my study so nyah nyah nyah)

The background contrasts:

JJ openly claims to be GM. DS doesn't, but most say he is overly active in football decisions.

The case study:
JJ won 3 SBs early, and that cemented his belief that his way is the right approach. Therefore it is very hard for him to change his overall approach to the team, and very unlikely that he will give up GM authority anytime soon.

DS has not won any SBs. He has progressively tried different approaches that increase/decrease his direct interference. His first approach was hire aged fantasy players. It failed. (a pause and reflect occurred with Marty, but it failed as he could not keep his hands out) His second approach was hire fantasy coaches - the apex here was the Gibbs/Saunders/Williams trifecta. It failed. now we are in another lull where he tried to pull one out of his hip pocket, it obviously failed.

The question:
Which path, either quick SB's wins - characterized by stubborn belief in self, or no wins - characterized by continual change and adjustment, will lead to a quicker establishment of a long term winning team. Or will both be continual cellar dwellers.

Only the shadow knows.

[D'BOYZ]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

you are one of the only cowboy fans that I have heard that gives Jerry credit for bringing those three rings. True they were earned after he bought the team but not really won by his GM moves.

I've said this before, but hey I like to read my own words, so here it goes:

DS and JJ are a very interesting compare/contrast case study.
The basic similarities:

Both bought major sports teams rich in tradition. Both are marketing saavy, even gurus. Both have teams that are in the middle of LONG SB droughts. Both have extreme egos. Both like to meddle. Both want to achieve long term successful franchise status.(some may argue it, but i believe it and it's my study so nyah nyah nyah)

The background contrasts:

JJ openly claims to be GM. DS doesn't, but most say he is overly active in football decisions.

The case study:
JJ won 3 SBs early, and that cemented his belief that his way is the right approach. Therefore it is very hard for him to change his overall approach to the team, and very unlikely that he will give up GM authority anytime soon.

DS has not won any SBs. He has progressively tried different approaches that increase/decrease his direct interference. His first approach was hire aged fantasy players. It failed. (a pause and reflect occurred with Marty, but it failed as he could not keep his hands out) His second approach was hire fantasy coaches - the apex here was the Gibbs/Saunders/Williams trifecta. It failed. now we are in another lull where he tried to pull one out of his hip pocket, it obviously failed.

The question:
Which path, either quick SB's wins - characterized by stubborn belief in self, or no wins - characterized by continual change and adjustment, will lead to a quicker establishment of a long term winning team. Or will both be continual cellar dwellers.

Only the shadow knows.

great post

Look here's the thing you have to give credit to jerry not only he brought Jimmy, and you can't say it wasn't by his GM moves because we don't know what happens behind those doors and how much it was Jimmy and how much Jerry. But part of a good GM is bringing a good HC and give him the talent he needs to succeed and that's what Jerry did.

His problem after his feud with Jimmy he thought he was the key to success and didn't believe he needed a good HC because he knew best dumb move that set this franchise back for years.

But at least he has learned from his mistakes; we've seen him stop building this team through FA and doing it with good draft picks and he has kept those good players and not let them leave in FA. So for that he's doing a great Job hey we just saw how he managed to resign Ware to a Great Contract but not a contract that will set back this team or put them in Salary Cap hell.

Yeah he has make a lot of dummy moves and sometimes I don't agree with some decision he makes but, Do I believe he has the best interest of the Dallas Cowboys at hand. Yes I do.

The difference with Snider is that he has made some changes but hasn't learned from any this franchise is no different that what it was when he bought it.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

Many of you say GM first HC second I say

New Owner 1st, GM 2nd, HC 3rd

You guys do need a new owner.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

Many of you say GM first HC second I say

New Owner 1st, GM 2nd, HC 3rd

Now that you've stated your opinion on the Cowgirls...what do you think the Redskins should do?

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

Many of you say GM first HC second I say

New Owner 1st, GM 2nd, HC 3rd

We will have new owner in probably 40 or 50 years later, or maybe even more.. Redskins is Snyder's dream team; why would anyone in the world sell his dream team?

[D'BOYZ]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

We will have new owner in probably 40 or 50 years later, or maybe even more.. Redskins is Snyder's dream team; why would anyone in the world sell his dream team?

Totally Agree I just say that the problem starts there.. he continues to make really bad decision in regards to the team not the franchise (well except suing fans) he has made a lot of money with the team and he knows how to sell his team but the team he has totally screw it

[redsk1]

Jeff Fisher switching to Vince Young at quarterback - NFL - SI.com

Pressure from management or winless team looking for a spark?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by redsk1

Jeff Fisher switching to Vince Young at quarterback - NFL - SI.com

Pressure from management or winless team looking for a spark?

Both.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by redsk1

Jeff Fisher switching to Vince Young at quarterback - NFL - SI.com

Pressure from management or winless team looking for a spark?

I think JF wants to start Collins cause he gives them the best chance to win. The owner wants to play for the future. Young is a baby who isn't mentally tough enough for the NFL so I don't see what Adams sees in Young. I see a split coming after this year.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think JF wants to start Collins cause he gives them the best chance to win. The owner wants to play for the future. Young is a baby who isn't mentally tough enough for the NFL so I don't see what Adams sees in Young. I see a split coming after this year.

probably has something to do with that big pay day they gave him. and they really don't know if he is an NFL quality starter

[sportscurmudgeon]

Someone asked earlier on here what big name HC Danny Boy had brought in here with big time credentials and rings. Does the name Joe Gibbs ring any bells here?


If - - I said IF - - Jeff Fisher gets sufficiently crosswise with the Tennessee owner over Adams' "pressure" to have Vince Young as the starting QB and that situation winds up in his getting fired, there are two things you have to consider:


1. Jeff Fisher will not need to find work immediately because he will be "getting paid" on the rest of the contract in Tennessee that he was finrd under.


2. If he just got fired by a meddling owner who made him do something with regard to football operations that he might not have wanted to do, what would make him interested in coming to work for Danny Boy? Jeff Fisher is NOT a stupid man...

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Someone asked earlier on here what big name HC Danny Boy had brought in here with big time credentials and rings. Does the name Joe Gibbs ring any bells here?


If - - I said IF - - Jeff Fisher gets sufficiently crosswise with the Tennessee owner over Adams' "pressure" to have Vince Young as the starting QB and that situation winds up in his getting fired, there are two things you have to consider:


1. Jeff Fisher will not need to find work immediately because he will be "getting paid" on the rest of the contract in Tennessee that he was finrd under.


2. If he just got fired by a meddling owner who made him do something with regard to football operations that he might not have wanted to do, what would make him interested in coming to work for Danny Boy? Jeff Fisher is NOT a stupid man...

For what it's worth, from the accounts I have read, Bud Adams is....jerk. and for the most part the Dan is not. Does that mean JF is on his way here? Probably not. The only point is JF may look at the Dan as a doable situation?

[Redskin Warrior]

I think it'll come down to power and authority with who the next coach will be. Fisher would like to pick his own staff and make his own decisions to an extent. With that being said he won't be the next coach.

[Save our Redskins]

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[Smooter]

Originally Posted by Save our Redskins

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Geez whats with the spam lately?