Sam Bradford remains projected pick to Redskins

[SmootSmack]

Have you heard he's interested in Leinart from any other source than here? Shanahan liked Leinart when he was available in the draft and reportedly tried to trade up for him. And there is speculation that Leinart is someone they would consider if the Cardinals make him available, which they may not.

But regardless, is making a trade for Leinart who has accomplished far less than Campbell (and is I believe the same age) really a better move than just keeping Campbell or better yet drafting a QB out of college?

It's not a lock we'll run the 3-4

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Have you heard he's interested in Leinart from any other source than here? Shanahan liked Leinart when he was available in the draft and reportedly tried to trade up for him. And there is speculation that Leinart is someone they would consider if the Cardinals make him available, which they may not.

But regardless, is making a trade for Leinart who has accomplished far less than Campbell (and is I believe the same age) really a better move than just keeping Campbell or better yet drafting a QB out of college?

It's not a lock we'll run the 3-4

i definitely agree. we have no where near the personnel to run that defense. and the 49ers already tried Carter at L.B. and he was about as good as Orakpo is now( which isn't very good)

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Have you heard he's interested in Leinart from any other source than here? Shanahan liked Leinart when he was available in the draft and reportedly tried to trade up for him. And there is speculation that Leinart is someone they would consider if the Cardinals make him available, which they may not.

But regardless, is making a trade for Leinart who has accomplished far less than Campbell (and is I believe the same age) really a better move than just keeping Campbell or better yet drafting a QB out of college?

It's not a lock we'll run the 3-4

No, here is my main source for hearing all that. And if i were anything other than unimpressed with this draft's QB class I would agree with you. I'd live with Bradford if we drafted him - I just think Leinhart's a less risky proposition and one that would allow us to keep more picks to address our numerous team needs. Its true that Leinhart hasn't done much, but he's done more in the NFL than any college QB and he's been pretty good in relief of Warner.

We've spent the last 8-9 years developing 1st round QBs from scratch and it hasnt worked out for us. I'd rather go with something a bit "safer" in 2010.

Regarding the 3-4, i imagine we'll know alot more about that a week from now. Even if we stick with the 4-3, i'd still put the 6 needs i listed on offense, along with a SLB and 1-2 CB's above FS in my list of team priorities. So in that case, FS would be my 9th or 10th most important team need... its a need that i could address through FA, a late round pick, or ignore entirely until 2011 and be pretty happy with my team assuming i addressed my other needs. FS and RB are the absolute last positions i'd address with a top 5 pick.

[mmil12]

In the 2010 draft we need to draft olineman with our first few picks, if you ask me, the only two lineman we will bring back are Rabach and Dockery, everyone else is a question mark. Fill out the oline first if it isn't addressed via free agency. A quarterback wouldn't be a terrible idea to allow the new coach to groom and possibly light a fire under Campbell if we bring him back. Then hopefully he can find a RB, CB, and FS with our day two picks.

[SmootSmack]

"Most important, Shanahan completely devoured the West Coast offense. Then he added his own twists, like more deep passes"

PRO FOOTBALL - PRO FOOTBALL; Shanahan Dares to Be Great - NYTimes.com

[SKINS73]

I'm trying real hard to understand the, "We need a quarterback in the first couple of rounds" logic. I'm not trying to insult those of you who believe we should draft a QB, I'm just saying that I don't understand it. Campbell falls right in the middle of almost all NFL QBs statistically. If you think anyone else would have done better this year you're taking crazy pills. I'd like to have a top 5 QB too, but we have no idea what we're going to end up with. Imagine spending the next 3 years trying to groom a JaMarcus Russell. JC may not be the long term answer but he can certainly help get the Redskins through the rebuilding phase. Why don't we replace the players who suck instead of replacing the players who are average? Can anyone say, with a straight face, that we need to replace the QB before we address several line positions, at least one RB or a secondary that got us a whopping 10 interceptions so far this year? You have to take the best player in any of those three areas first. Shouldn't the horrible areas of the team be addressed before the average areas are??

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SKINS73

I'm trying real hard to understand the, "We need a quarterback in the first couple of rounds" logic. I'm not trying to insult those of you who believe we should draft a QB, I'm just saying that I don't understand it. Campbell falls right in the middle of almost all NFL QBs statistically. If you think anyone else would have done better this year you're taking crazy pills. I'd like to have a top 5 QB too, but we have no idea what we're going to end up with. Imagine spending the next 3 years trying to groom a JaMarcus Russell. JC may not be the long term answer but he can certainly help get the Redskins through the rebuilding phase. Why don't we replace the players who suck instead of replacing the players who are average? Can anyone say, with a straight face, that we need to replace the QB before we address several line positions, at least one RB or a secondary that got us a whopping 10 interceptions so far this year? You have to take the best player in any of those three areas first. Shouldn't the horrible areas of the team be addressed before the average areas are??

If we don't think Campbell is the long term answer why not see what you can get for him now and rebuild with the QB of the future? I mean why not go through the rebuilding phase with the QB we want to rebuild with?

We shouldn't draft a offensive lineman in the first round just to say we drafted one. At at #5 if Okung isn't the guy we take then that's basically what we're doing.

[SKINS73]

^ I actually think that with an average line and an average supporting cast Campbell might be more productive. I can't say for sure, but he deserves a chance to compete at the very least. If Okung is gone then I wouldn't mind picking up Spiller or Berry, not a QB.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by SKINS73

^ I actually think that with an average line and an average supporting cast Campbell might be more productive. I can't say for sure, but he deserves a chance to compete at the very least. If Okung is gone then I wouldn't mind picking up Spiller or Berry, not a QB.

Berry? Whom do you speak?

[SKINS73]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

Berry? Whom do you speak?

Eric Berry, from Tennesse. He set the NCAA record for interception return yards, is a ball-hawk and a vicious hitter. Basically everything we DON'T have right now in our secondary.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SKINS73

^ I actually think that with an average line and an average supporting cast Campbell might be more productive. I can't say for sure, but he deserves a chance to compete at the very least. If Okung is gone then I wouldn't mind picking up Spiller or Berry, not a QB.

But let's suppose Bruce Allen came out and said "Jason Campbell is not the long-term answer for us" Would you rather they just let him go now and start fresh with someone else asap or let him hang around for another year even though he's not in the long term plans.

Spiller would be very exciting (though I think I slightly, very, slightly prefer Best). Still, I'd be kind of curious to see what Alridge can bring to the table given the opportunity. And combine that with drafting Dwyer-we'd have to trade into the 2nd probably-I would like that

Berry is a total stud...but I don't want to draft anymore DBs right now. Other than maybe LB, I'd rather not draft any defensive players.

I think too much of a fuss is being made about Bradford's shoulder injury. You'd think he had his arm amputated the way some talk about it

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

But let's suppose Bruce Allen came out and said "Jason Campbell is not the long-term answer for us" Would you rather they just let him go now and start fresh with someone else asap or let him hang around for another year even though he's not in the long term plans.

Exactly and keep in mind having a rookie QB doesn't mean your throwing in the towel for the season. Even the Jets are going to the playoffs with Mark Sanchez at the helm. And lets not forget the Ravens and the Falcons both making the playoffs with rookie QB's in 08.

Plus the most telling stat is probably what Shannahan was able to do with Cutler in his rookie year with an 88 rating in the 5 games he started his rookie year.

I fear that even if we make the playoffs with JC we won't be able to even make it to the NFC championship let alone win the Super Bowl. Keep in mind this is a team that wants to win a Super Bowl, not simply make the playoffs. I know it's been beaten to death but I don't want to settle for mediocrity. If we're going to be a championship contender year in and year out we're going to need a true franchise QB. The kind of guy that makes you feel like the Saints, Colts, Steelers, and Patriots feel every week they go into a game. All thats left is to have our competent front office decide if we can develop that guy into the player we need him to be.

Also as Smoot has said before Drew Brees had similar shoulder problems going into free agency

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Why risk taking Bradford who has had his shoulder messed up twice in the same season? If he takes a hit and his shoulder pops again you just wasted another #1 draft pick on a kid that will never produce for you. Too much QB talent available in 2010 just to go for the overhyped Big 4 trap.

Again Drew Brees had similar shoulder problems going into free agency.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

But let's suppose Bruce Allen came out and said "Jason Campbell is not the long-term answer for us" Would you rather they just let him go now and start fresh with someone else asap or let him hang around for another year even though he's not in the long term plans.

Spiller would be very exciting (though I think I slightly, very, slightly prefer Best). Still, I'd be kind of curious to see what Alridge can bring to the table given the opportunity. And combine that with drafting Dwyer-we'd have to trade into the 2nd probably-I would like that

Berry is a total stud...but I don't want to draft anymore DBs right now. Other than maybe LB, I'd rather not draft any defensive players.

I think too much of a fuss is being made about Bradford's shoulder injury. You'd think he had his arm amputated the way some talk about it

Well, outside of the fact that we'd have another Vinny on our hands, then yes, you'd have to move him one way or another.

[SKINS73]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

But let's suppose Bruce Allen came out and said "Jason Campbell is not the long-term answer for us" Would you rather they just let him go now and start fresh with someone else asap or let him hang around for another year even though he's not in the long term plans.

Hopefully Bruce Allen doesn't come out and say that because that would be a Vinny move and undermine the little confidence JC has now. I'm not even a JC fan, I'm trying to look at things pragmatically. We, as fans, get intoxicated when we see a rookie QB turn into a stud. Teams with successful rookie QBs already have a line and even an average RB to boot. Since LT broke Joe's leg the QB position has always been an issue for Washington. In the Super Bowls we won our trademark was an over-powering offensive line, not a star QB. Bring it back to smashmouth run-first-no-matter-how-many-people-you-have-in-the-box-cause-you-can't-stop-us-if-you-tried football. That is Redskin football. Run the I with Spiller and put Davis in front of him with Cooley on the line, DT and Moss on the outside. I know some of you will laugh at my wishful thinking! Whatever the Redskins decide to do I will support; however, could you be happy seeing Bradford drafted when Okung is on the board? Bradford drafted when Spiller is available, or Bradford drafted when Berry is out there?

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by SKINS73

I'm trying real hard to understand the, "We need a quarterback in the first couple of rounds" logic. I'm not trying to insult those of you who believe we should draft a QB, I'm just saying that I don't understand it. Campbell falls right in the middle of almost all NFL QBs statistically. If you think anyone else would have done better this year you're taking crazy pills. I'd like to have a top 5 QB too, but we have no idea what we're going to end up with. Imagine spending the next 3 years trying to groom a JaMarcus Russell. JC may not be the long term answer but he can certainly help get the Redskins through the rebuilding phase. Why don't we replace the players who suck instead of replacing the players who are average? Can anyone say, with a straight face, that we need to replace the QB before we address several line positions, at least one RB or a secondary that got us a whopping 10 interceptions so far this year? You have to take the best player in any of those three areas first. Shouldn't the horrible areas of the team be addressed before the average areas are??

I can answer your question with one simple word, and that word is depth. Collins might hang it up or should, and Brennan is a bust. Give me a Pike, Stull, Lefevour, Canfield, Sheehan, or Todd over Brennan. Shoot I would want Joey Elliot of Purdue or even a Mike Kafka from Northwestern before Brennan. Plus JC might split dude. You are right, JC is what ranked 15 or something in passing and a lot of teams have shitty QBs like Cleveland or Oakland. JC might be a good backup for other teams or "insurance" for others still. Either way you need a QB, maybe even two if Collins bolts.