Haslett to accept Defensive Coordinator

[SBXVII]

Well the reports were Shanahan was interested in the 3-4 or 3-4 hybrid. So I would guess as others have said we would be running a 3-4 hybrid. I think thats what Baltimore does and now the Jets. If we can get Haslett to emulate these two defensive scheme's then we are going to be great. I think if he simply comes out and runs a pure 3-4 defense we might be screwed cause as again others have said we don't have all the pieces. A hybrid would be a smooth transition and maybe better anyway. More to confuse the offenses with.

[wilsowilso]

As long as Blache is gone I don't care what kind of defense we run.

[tootergray34]

i love how the giants wanted haslett and we got him...and i agree with the dude saying use the 4-3 with AH in the game and 3-4 when he needs a breather...which hopefully won't be every other play.

[tootergray34]

god i hate the giants gnats, VAGIANTS

[IRISHSKIN24]

as long as the D works, i could careless what scheme he runs.

[Texanskin]

Originally Posted by IRISHSKIN24

as long as the D works, i could careless what scheme he runs.

get ready to care.....we don't have the players for the 3-4

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by Texanskin

get ready to care.....we don't have the players for the 3-4

yet, get ready for the draft and FA to fill some spots.

[Dirtbag59]

Thought you guys would be interested in this.

Hybrid defenses popping up across the NFL

[IRISHSKIN24]

anyone have defensive stats of Haslett coached NFL teams?....just wondering

[rao2]

i think with 3 4 defense, defense will only get better

[MTK]

I really have no strong feelings in either direction on this hire. Yeah he's had some mediocre rankings recently but I think you have to consider the teams and the talent he was coaching at the time. Nobody in the know seems to dispute that he's a solid defensive mind, so I'm willing to be open to what he may bring to the table. At the least, he should be more aggressive and inventive with his schemes than Blache was.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I really have no strong feelings in either direction on this hire. Yeah he's had some mediocre rankings recently but I think you have to consider the teams and the talent he was coaching at the time. Nobody in the know seems to dispute that he's a solid defensive mind, so I'm willing to be open to what he may bring to the table. At the least, he should be more aggressive and inventive with his schemes than Blache was.

These are points well taken, also during the time he was HC in NO he had a DC in Rick Venturi who was to blame for a variety of their failures on defense. I'm willing to give this hire the benefit of the doubt and use my trusted approach in wait and see how it works out.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I really have no strong feelings in either direction on this hire. Yeah he's had some mediocre rankings recently but I think you have to consider the teams and the talent he was coaching at the time. Nobody in the know seems to dispute that he's a solid defensive mind, so I'm willing to be open to what he may bring to the table. At the least, he should be more aggressive and inventive with his schemes than Blache was.

Of the 31 other defensive coordinators in the league last year, i would say at least 25 of them were "more aggressive" than Blache. Most of the positive comments ive seen here about Haslett (and there are fairly few of them) center around the fact that he's not Greg Blache.

Of all the potential names being touted as potential DCs for Shanahan, Haslett was the worst. To find out that we contacted Crennel but never had serious discussions with him is perplexing. Saying he is a great defensive mind but blaming the teams/talent he was coaching for his poor defenses doesn't even make sense. Gregg Williams took a horrible defense over in New Orleans and made it elite. In the NFL, the level of raw talent is comparable on every single NFL team. COACHING is what makes the difference between mediocre/poor and excellent in this league. Haslett may have a great defenisve mind, but if he were a great coach, the results (his defenses performance over a decade) would testify to that. They don't.

in his last 10 years in Denver, Shanahan won 1 - ONE - playoff game. Why? Well, partly, because Denver's defenses sucked. One of Shanahan's downfalls in Denver was that he didn't select good defensive coordinators, forcing him to get new ones nearly every year. What this hire shows me is that, despite all the blind faith wishes of fans to the contrary, Shanahan hasn't changed one bit. He's selected yet another poor defensive coordinator. (More) mediocrity, here we come.

People who take a wait and see approach are setting themselves up for bitter disappointment. I'm sure Denver fans said the same thing each time Shanahan selected a new D.C. How'd that work out for them?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Of the 31 other defensive coordinators in the league last year, i would say at least 25 of them were "more aggressive" than Blache. Most of the positive comments ive seen here about Haslett (and there are fairly few of them) center around the fact that he's not Greg Blache.

Of all the potential names being touted as potential DCs for Shanahan, Haslett was the worst. To find out that we contacted Crennel but never had serious discussions with him is perplexing. Saying he is a great defensive mind but blaming the teams/talent he was coaching for his poor defenses doesn't even make sense. Gregg Williams took a horrible defense over in New Orleans and made it elite. In the NFL, the level of raw talent is comparable on every single NFL team. COACHING is what makes the difference between mediocre/poor and excellent in this league. Haslett may have a great defenisve mind, but if he were a great coach, the results (his defenses performance over a decade) would testify to that. They don't.

in his last 10 years in Denver, Shanahan won 1 - ONE - playoff game. Why? Well, partly, because Denver's defenses sucked. One of Shanahan's downfalls in Denver was that he didn't select good defensive coordinators, forcing him to get new ones nearly every year. What this hire shows me is that, despite all the blind faith wishes of fans to the contrary, Shanahan hasn't changed one bit. More mediocrity, here we come.

I think we could have done a lot worse than Hasslet. I mean really dude do you have to poo-poo everything? Are you going to give anything a chance?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I think we could have done a lot worse than Hasslet. I mean really dude do you have to poo-poo everything? Are you going to give anything a chance?

Sure we could have done worse. You can always do worse. Shanahan could have hired Vinny Cerrato or matt Millen or Miss Piggy as defensive coordinator. If saying "we could have done worse" is satisfactory, then I think you and I have two entirely different levels of what is acceptable.

Rank Gray, Zimmer, Crennel, and Haslett (the candidates we know the skins had contact with) in order from best option to worst option. If Haslett is #1 or #2 on your list then you're not basing your opinion on the actual records of any of these men.

If I see signs that things are changing, i'll give them a chance. If I see history repeating itself, and that history is full of failure, i'm not going to stick my head in the sand and ignore whats happening. I WANT to give Snyder, Allen, Shanahan, and now Haslett the benefit of the doubt. But they've got to give me some real evidence that things are different. Up until now, they haven't. They might say all the right things about wanting to win, but so does every single owner, GM, and coach in this league. They all say the exact same things. Its actions that count. So far, the actions do not* look promising and i'm not going to delude myself just to have some temporary false excitement and hope.

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