Colt Brennan vs Rookie class

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

So what did the 2nd preseason prove?

5th rounder

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

So what did the 2nd preseason prove?

Zorn misused him








j/k

[30gut]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

How about this: If Colt were allowed to enter the draft this year as he is now (i.e. a two year vet who suffered an injury and has not started a game but is young and may have some potential), Where would he be drafted?

Is he a first round pick? A second round pick? etc. This is not a trade scenario but a hypothetical situation in which Colt's contract is voided and he is subject to be drafted by any team desiring to do so.

Holding the 4th pick, would you chose him over Bradford or Clausen? What about other teams, do you think anyone would spend a first rounder on him?

I think this is poor measuring stick because drafted players are always over valued compared to current NFL players.
Remember Randy Moss and i think Anthony Gonzo were traded for a 3rd round picks.
I heard John Clayton say that McNabb/Vick could be had for 3rd round picks.

I think a better question is how would you rate Colts Brennan potential to be an NFL starting QB in comparison to the current rookie crop.
I think a better question would be who is more prepared to start an NFL game?
Imo Brennan would be ahead of any rookie coming out.
At the same time i'm not making a statement about their potential or upside; just that Brennan is more ready to start a game in the NFL.

Another way to make a more valid comparison would be to compare their measureables like: arm strength, accuracy, mobility, durability, etc

[terpsez11]

I'm thinking as bad as this past year was...it would have been worse if Colt was healthy...

the in-fighting between factions would have been unbearable...especially when a change to Colt would not have done anything but get him destroyed behind that awful line

[SBXVII]

Honestly I hope they do pick up a QB. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, what about JC. Some of you have posted his stats, talked him up, and put him on a pedastle but I'd like to see the Skins pick up a genuine 1st round QB while they are in the top 5 and lets all see how good or not JC is. I see 2 major pluses for JC, he can take a hit and he's careful with the ball.

I'm ready to see how someone with a more accruate arm and faster release can do. I would love for Shanahan to say the position is open for grabs...fair game...let the best QB win the spot.

Gibbs picked JC. Zorn got stuck with him whether he liked him or not or whether he thought JC was a fit in his scheme or not. Lets not make the same mistake again and let Shanahan pick a QB he thinks would be best for his offensive scheme. ...and when he does it lets not bash him for it. He knows what type of QB he needs to run his system or maybe he's just not a good HC.

[GusFrerotte]

Brennan would have gone undrafted unless Cerrato and the FO took a gamble on him. A lot of nice potential QBs out there in the mid to later rounds. Of the big 4, I would take Clausen. Lefevour is probably the best of the rest. Stull, Sheehan, Canfield, and of course my personal favs Kafka and Elliot(Big Ten guy here) are solid. Stull, the Big Ten QBs, plus Canfield faced tough competition during their respective careers, while Brennan completely bombed in the only real big game he had(Sugar Bowl). Lefevour and Sheehan are from the MAC, not the best conference for sure, but still rather competitive, plus both have great stats. To be honest I think if we drafted one of the Big Ten QBs, Canfield, or the non Tebow SEC QBs, they would beat out Brennan. Lefevour also. Sheehan would be a total toss up.

[The Goat]

A few observations:

In terms of desirability, I will not be the least surprised if Brennan gets more "looks" around the league than Jason. I like Jason quite a bit. He's a nice kid who got stuck in a really shitty franchise (which now seems to have turned a corner). But he is, and always will be, one of the most underwhelming QBs I've seen play the game at the pro level. He can be pretty good when he finds his rhythm but that rhythm is hard found and easily lost. The rest of the team can have a solid game while Jason struggles to make things happen. The rest of the team can struggle and Jason will stay in there and take a beating, but he's unlikely to win more than one or two games on his own accord.

So basically the rest of the league doesn't see much in JC. They see what he's done at the pro level and it's nothing too impressive. His upside is precisely zero, which is why there was I believe precisely zero interest in him when Snyderatto shopped him.

Brennan however still may have an upside. It's possible, not probable. Ultimately both guys will likely land jobs if cut from the Skins (neither have any trade value). Teams will KNOW they're getting a backup in Jason...he won't start. Brennan will get taken by a team hoping to get a healthy, mature, hungry kid w/ some talent left uncovered.

Finally, it seems arm-strength has become a hot topic. I'm not sure what magic Bradford has worked on some viewers because honestly his arm looks absurdly weak in the video I've watched, yet I hear him compared to Brennan and even NFL QBs. Stop the insanity.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

How does our 3rd stringer compare to the rookie class comming in? Could Colt compete with JC for the starting QB position under Shannahan? Why/ Why not? As we are discussing the possibility to draft another QB in the first round, what is the possibility of us coaching up what we currently have in our stables? People who know about this draft class and can compare them to Colt please speak up, I'd like to understand what makes these guys better to run the redskins offense vs. Brennan?

I think Colt matches up well.
I don't think Colt is ready to compete for the starting spot against Campbell because i don't think Brennan would have put up top 15 numbers in our offense last year.
The possibility is there but its slim because Brennan is 3rd string developmental QB and they don't usually survive a regime change because they aren't given a fair shake.

But, if all things were equal and Brennan got a fair chance i think he would be closer to being a starting QB then any QB we draft.

I think that McCoy and Clausen are physically better then Brennan because they both have more NFL ready bodies then Brennan had and Claussen has shown more arm strength then Brennan showed at the Senior Bowl.

But, i don't think being more physically ready means that McCoy or Clausen are neccesarily better prospects right now then Brennan.
I think what Brennan lacks in build and arm strength he makes up for in mobility and release and accuracy.

I believe QBs are groomed and i automatically think a QB in his second year of grooming is going to be better then a green rookie.
Just being in the league and having 2 training camp of hands on work with Zorn (he may not be a good playcaller yet but he's certainly a good QB coach) benefitted him as did 8 pre-season games of reps and a year of running the scout team and going through meeting and watching film etc.

[MTK]

Paragraphs are very underrated.

[PHazard]

lol very underrated. But what i forgot to mention is, if we draft a QB in any round, I'm sure Brennan will be done with the skins :-( Cuz wit Campbell, A rumored Veteran backup, and a shanahan pick, there just wont be room for him :-(

[MTK]

Originally Posted by PHazard

lol very underrated. But what i forgot to mention is, if we draft a QB in any round, I'm sure Brennan will be done with the skins :-( Cuz wit Campbell, A rumored Veteran backup, and a shanahan pick, there just wont be room for him :-(

That's the scenario I see happening. JC is back as the starter, we possibly draft a QB to groom, and look to bring in a vet to be the #2.

[hail_2_da_skins]

I hope Shanahan and Allen are a lot smarter than some of the discussion on this site.This debate about Campbell, Colt and Bradford is a bunch of bull. It's really irrelevant to the serious problems the Redskins have. I would hate to see the Redskins invest heavily in a franchise quarterback, only to allow him to get killed behind a pathetic offensive line. The offense is completely doomed until they address the offensive line. Nothing will work. Not passing the ball or running. Any knowledgeable football fan should know that a team is only as good as the guys in the trenches, offensive and defensive lines. Teams with consistent success always build upfront. The problem with the Skins, they are always going after high profile players, wasting draft picks so they cannot build up their depth. Shanahan and Allen need to bread this cycle. Who they select with the #4 pick will dictate the path they choose. Picking a quarterback, coming off season ending surgery (Bradford), just to get him killed, is asinine. Thinking a quarterback that is coming back from a career threatening injury is also asinine.

[PHazard]

Originally Posted by hail_2_da_skins

I hope Shanahan and Allen are a lot smarter than some of the discussion on this site.This debate about Campbell, Colt and Bradford is a bunch of bull. It's really irrelevant to the serious problems the Redskins have. I would hate to see the Redskins invest heavily in a franchise quarterback, only to allow him to get killed behind a pathetic offensive line. The offense is completely doomed until they address the offensive line. Nothing will work. Not passing the ball or running. Any knowledgeable football fan should know that a team is only as good as the guys in the trenches, offensive and defensive lines. Teams with consistent success always build upfront. The problem with the Skins, they are always going after high profile players, wasting draft picks so they cannot build up their depth. Shanahan and Allen need to bread this cycle. Who they select with the #4 pick will dictate the path they choose. Picking a quarterback, coming off season ending surgery (Bradford), just to get him killed, is asinine. Thinking a quarterback that is coming back from a career threatening injury is also asinine.

That IS MY case for Colt. So we can use the 5 picks we have for the necessary OLineman we need to build sumthin that resembles an offense, and still get a fresh start at QB

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by PHazard

That IS MY case for Colt. So we can use the 5 picks we have for the necessary OLineman we need to build sumthin that resembles an offense, and still get a fresh start at QB

So, you believe that the Skins should take 5 offensive lineman in the draft and then start all of them?

Is that what your post is saying?

Shanahan has proven that he doesn't have to draft guys high to find good offensive lineman and giant guys don't really fit zone blocking well, so if they decide to go QB in round 1, I'm fine with it because their is finally someone competent making football decisions.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by jdlea

So, you believe that the Skins should take 5 offensive lineman in the draft and then start all of them?

Is that what your post is saying?

Shanahan has proven that he doesn't have to draft guys high to find good offensive lineman and giant guys don't really fit zone blocking well, so if they decide to go QB in round 1, I'm fine with it because their is finally someone competent making football decisions.

That seems to be the nearly popular consensus, as if any lineman you draft will start immediately.