At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

LOL, oops. i've edited my post. I also would prefer that we not draft clausen, but i prefaced my statement on if Shanahan was sold on him. Rex Grossman is obviously not the long-term answer and by tendering Campbell at a 1st round level only, it seems we dont expect Campbell to be the long-term answer either. so, somehow, we need to find ourselves a starting QB beyond 2010.

Keeping the same trade scenario, i'd love to see something like this:

-Washington trades #4 and #37 to SF for #13, #17, and #49.

-Washington trades #49 to Minnesota for Sage Rosenfels and #62. (This would make Rosenfelds equal 126 points, or a late 3rd rounder).

-The skins would end up with a 2010 Starting Quarterback, #13, #17, and #62.

In that scenario, my dream draft would go this way:


1 (#13) - Rutgers OT Anthony Davis
1 (#17) - SoCal OT Charles Brown
via Trade - Sage Rosenfels, starting QB
2 (#62) - Carolina NT Cam Thomas
4 (#101) - Connecticut DE/OLB Lindsey Witten
5 (#132) - Oregon RB LeGarrette Blount
7 (#196) - BPA

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

LOL, oops. i've edited my post. I also would prefer that we not draft clausen, but i prefaced my statement on if Shanahan was sold on him. Rex Grossman is obviously not the long-term answer and by tendering Campbell at a 1st round level only, it seems we dont expect Campbell to be the long-term answer either. so, somehow, we need to find ourselves a starting QB beyond 2010.

Keeping the same trade scenario, i'd love to see something like this:

-Washington trades #4 and #37 to SF for #13, #17, and #49.

-Washington trades #49 to Minnesota for Sage Rosenfels and #62. (This would make Rosenfelds equal 126 points, or a late 3rd rounder).

-The skins would end up with a 2010 Starting Quarterback, #13, #17, and #62.

In that scenario, my dream draft would go this way:


1 (#13) - Rutgers OT Anthony Davis
1 (#17) - SoCal OT Charles Brown
via Trade - Sage Rosenfels, starting QB
2 (#62) - Carolina NT Cam Thomas
4 (#101) - Connecticut DE/OLB Lindsey Witten
5 (#132) - Oregon RB LeGarrette Blount
7 (#196) - BPA

Apparently Brown is slipping and a number 17 pick might not be necessary, some have him sliding back into the 2nd

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Apparently Brown is slipping and a number 17 pick might not be necessary, some have him sliding back into the 2nd

wow, i hadnt heard that.... although i doubt he'd slip all the way to our 2nd round pick (at the bottom of the 2nd round after the trade with the vikings). In that case, i'd take Campbell or Saffold at 17. From what i've read, theres a substantial drop-off in talent after the first 6-7 OTs, where as theres not much difference between the top tackles not named okung.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

wow, i hadnt heard that.... although i doubt he'd slip all the way to our 2nd round pick (at the bottom of the 2nd round after the trade with the vikings). In that case, i'd take Campbell or Saffold at 17. From what i've read, theres a substantial drop-off in talent after the first 6-7 OTs, where as theres not much difference between the top tackles not named okung.

I wouldn't say theres much of a drop off in talent as there is a dropoff in NFL ready players. Guys like Vladimir Ducasse and Jared Veldheer. Both of those guys could easily be this years Sebastian Vollmer.

[SmootSmack]

Didn't realize Brown was slipping either. He's always been, as far as I know, pegged in the late 1st to early 2nd.

Saffold is rising a lot. Eagles, among other teams, are showing strong interest in him and could be targeting him with their 1st round pick

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Didn't realize Brown was slipping either. He's always been, as far as I know, pegged in the late 1st to early 2nd.

Saffold is rising a lot. Eagles, among other teams, are showing strong interest in him and could be targeting him with their 1st round pick

I meant as far as being considered like an 18-25 guy. I guess "apparently" was the wrong word though; more so "according to Kirwan" (at least in his recent mock) who had him going at pick 26 to the Cardinals before this version. Still though, that's only one man's speculation at this point.

Mock draft 4.0: If Clausen slips, Bills could take him at No. 9

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Didn't realize Brown was slipping either. He's always been, as far as I know, pegged in the late 1st to early 2nd.

Saffold is rising a lot. Eagles, among other teams, are showing strong interest in him and could be targeting him with their 1st round pick

Certainly possible. Eben Britton was given a slightly higher grade last year by Scouts inc then Charles Brown currently has (89 for Britton 86 for Brown) and Britton lasted till the 39th pick (7th in the 2nd or as some of my friends would say a 39th round pick).

[over the mountain]

im down for any of the top tier tackles but i would stay away from anthony davis. seems like an exact clone of andre smith last year.

dedication, conditioning issues. was suspended a few times for missing/being late to team meetings. was demoted to the 2nd team at rutgers for reporting overweight.

missed his pro day b/c he was "sick". (i say he was out of shape, given his track record)

alot like andre smith who had the same conditioning and off field issues. also missed his pro day. i think davis actually stayed at the combine unlike davis who just left. andre smith then went on to be drafted top 10 by the bengals, holds out for along time then injures himself for the year on the first day he joins the team.

i despise players like this. im not knee jerk reacting when a player does this consistently for 4 years.

i would avoid players like this at all costs. with such a good quantity of 1st round talent at tackle, i dont see why we would have to settle for a davis.

[tryfuhl]

And on Clausen, as I posted in the Clausen has met with the Skins thread, he will not be working out at his pro day. He's rescheduled his workout for April 9th.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Options are:

-I would not be willing to use the 37th overall pick on Jimmy Clausen
-I would be willing to spend the 37th overall pick on Clausen, but not trade up for him
-I would be willing to trade our fourth round pick to move up 2-6 spots and ensure that we get him, even if it looks like we can get him at 37.
-I would be willing to trade up about 10 picks into the back end of the first round (ahead of, say, Arizona), at the cost of the 2011 2nd rounder.
-If Jimmy Clausen is available after the 16th pick in the first round, we should trade our 2011 first rounder to ensure we get him.

Note: in all situations, you would be using the second round pick in part of the trade/selection process.

I would be willing to spend the 37th overall pick on Clausen, but not trade up for him

[SBXVII]

LOL, this topic is hilarious. I'd trade up to get Bradford if I had to. Give the Rams JC and this yrs #4 pick and maybe even throw in Carter if I had to since he's not happy with the 3-4. Campbells gone after this year so we might as well get something worth while for him.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

LOL, this topic is hilarious. I'd trade up to get Bradford if I had to. Give the Rams JC and this yrs #4 pick and maybe even throw in Carter if I had to since he's not happy with the 3-4. Campbells gone after this year so we might as well get something worth while for him.

Then when they say no, you just go bash some heads? Show em how its done!

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Then when they say no, you just go bash some heads? Show em how its done!

You think they would turn that trade down? I think the league would drug test our front office if we offered that....

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

You think they would turn that trade down? I think the league would drug test our front office if we offered that....

It would be the 4th pick, Carter, and Campbell for the 1st pick, right?

They'd only do that if they thought Campbell had more future value than Bradford, in which case, they were never going to pick him to begin with, and we just screwed ourselves.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It would be the 4th pick, Carter, and Campbell for the 1st pick, right?

They'd only do that if they thought Campbell had more future value than Bradford, in which case, they were never going to pick him to begin with, and we just screwed ourselves.

Actually the Rams may do that so that:
a) they don't have to pay the ridiculous money a QB drafted at #1 makes, and
b) if they are comfortable with JC as their starting QB and they want to focus their roster-building elsewhere, they get a their starting QB, a DE with short-term potential value, and they still have the #4 overall pick.