Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins

[SmootSmack]

McNabb, by the way, did not have a no trade clause in his contract with Philly

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

McNabb, by the way, did not have a no trade clause in his contract with Philly

So if he didn't have the no-trade clause. Then I take back what I said earlier, So is this our front office just doing their magic and pulling a rabbit out of the hat.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

McNabb, by the way, did not have a no trade clause in his contract with Philly

So why did Reid say that McNabb had to agree on the team they wanted to trade with? He said this in his presser Sun. night.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

So why did Reid say that McNabb had to agree on the team they wanted to trade with? He said this in his presser Sun. night.

Because not many (read: none) teams would want to trade for him if McNabb refused to sign an extension.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

So why did Reid say that McNabb had to agree on the team they wanted to trade with? He said this in his presser Sun. night.

McNabb refused to meet with anybody but Washington signaling that he would not sign an extension with just anybody. The other interested teams did not want to give the picks away for a one year rental of McNabb.

B Mitch said that if McNabb was traded to Oakland, he might have retired instead of playing for them.

[SBXVII]

What I find funny is a month ago, two months ago or longer people defended JC like a bee's hive. I'd say he can't read defenses, he throws behind his WR's all the time, he over throws his WR's, he fails to go through his progressions, he has terrible clock management..... and I'd be met with all this statistical BS to prove JC was not that bad and how under Shanahan he will be awsome and I didn't know what I'm talking about because the statistics showed otherwise.

We pick up McNabb and some of us point out that although McNabb had better players, system and HC his stats were not far and above JC's and thats worry some and everyone quickly throws up that "stats are not everything." I find it funny how people count the stats when it helps them and discounts stats when it hurts their arguement.

I'll be the first to say under Shanahan I'm not as worried about the OL as most of you are. I'm pretty sure he will fix the problem. I think we have enough coach's who coached WR's prior to their current gig that the position coach won't be an issue. All the position coach's are on the same page and the HC is far and above better then Zorn.

Some people have argued that Shanahan only made the SB cause he had a HOF/franchise QB in Elway, but I'll remind you that when Shanahan took over in Denver Elway was considered washed up and 34 y/o. McNabb is considered a HOF/franchise QB and is 33 y/o as Shanahan is taking over the Skins now. I'll say I hope he can work his magic again, but I'm not enamoured with this trade, I don't see McNabb as the McNabb prior to 2004 form, I'm worried about McNabb having all the tools to do a better job then what he did but didn't according to his stats or JC did far and above better with lesser talent to work with and a shitty HC/system.

I'm in no way endorsing JC. I'm glad we are trying to upgrade, I just wonder how much of an upgrade we made. The stats don't show we took a huge leap or bound to get better. If it was Payton Manning I'd say yes we did or Drew Brees I'd say yes we did. this feels like us making a lateral move with Cutler except it's McNabb instead. On top of that some of you are saying "are you crazy do you know what McNabb has done?" and I'm saying yes I do but do you know what he's done lately? Stop living in his past and look at his present and how his present will help us. He's only marginally better then JC according to his stats which means I hope Kyle Shanahan puts together one hell of a passing attack and Mike Shanahan builds one hell of a running attack and I'm proven wrong and McNabb thrives in this system and takes us to the SB. I'm just not sold on this deal as of yet. I was in "rebuild" mode. Our FO is one player away from the SB still.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

What I find funny is a month ago, two months ago or longer people defended JC like a bee's hive. I'd say he can't read defenses, he throws behind his WR's all the time, he over throws his WR's, he fails to go through his progressions, he has terrible clock management..... and I'd be met with all this statistical BS to prove JC was not that bad and how under Shanahan he will be awsome and I didn't know what I'm talking about because the statistics showed otherwise.

We pick up McNabb and some of us point out that although McNabb had better players, system and HC his stats were not far and above JC's and thats worry some and everyone quickly throws up that "stats are not everything." I find it funny how people count the stats when it helps them and discounts stats when it hurts their arguement.

I'll be the first to say under Shanahan I'm not as worried about the OL as most of you are. I'm pretty sure he will fix the problem. I think we have enough coach's who coached WR's prior to their current gig that the position coach won't be an issue. All the position coach's are on the same page and the HC is far and above better then Zorn.

Some people have argued that Shanahan only made the SB cause he had a HOF/franchise QB in Elway, but I'll remind you that when Shanahan took over in Denver Elway was considered washed up and 34 y/o. McNabb is considered a HOF/franchise QB and is 33 y/o as Shanahan is taking over the Skins now. I'll say I hope he can work his magic again, but I'm not enamoured with this trade, I don't see McNabb as the McNabb prior to 2004 form, I'm worried about McNabb having all the tools to do a better job then what he did but didn't according to his stats or JC did far and above better with lesser talent to work with and a shitty HC/system.

I'm in no way endorsing JC. I'm glad we are trying to upgrade, I just wonder how much of an upgrade we made. The stats don't show we took a huge leap or bound to get better. If it was Payton Manning I'd say yes we did or Drew Brees I'd say yes we did. this feels like us making a lateral move with Cutler except it's McNabb instead. On top of that some of you are saying "are you crazy do you know what McNabb has done?" and I'm saying yes I do but do you know what he's done lately? Stop living in his past and look at his present and how his present will help us. He's only marginally better then JC according to his stats which means I hope Kyle Shanahan puts together one hell of a passing attack and Mike Shanahan builds one hell of a running attack and I'm proven wrong and McNabb thrives in this system and takes us to the SB. I'm just not sold on this deal as of yet. I was in "rebuild" mode. Our FO is one player away from the SB still.

You make very valid points. I am not going to argue which is better statistically. I think that is a foolish argument. Stats can be massaged any way you want them to be.

There are two things that I am focusing on with this move. Wins and losses and the belief of the team in their QB.

The win loss records speak for themselves. McNabb is 82-45-1 and 9-7 in the playoffs.

JC is 16-20. I don't care about Zorn this, Saunders that, how many coordinators this blah blah blah. If JC was a "franchise" QB he would overcome all of it. JC is an average to above average QB statistically (win % excluded). There is nothing wrong with that for some teams but that isn't going to work for this team.

Rabach killed JC with his comments about McNabb. He wasn't trying to but his words spoke volumes. The team is ready for a new voice behind center.

[jdc65]

I agree, this is a good trade, D-Mac should have at least 3 good years left, and he is a proven winner who will command Respect both on the field and off. Donovan is the new Face of the Franchise, and biggest sports star in DC. Shanahan will build the offense to McNabb's strengths, and surround him with experienced veterans. Big Mike is going for a Championship or two within the next 3 years. Then he will turn the team over to Kyle and re-start the building process. In my opinion, that is.

[MTK]

The more this sinks in the more excited I'm getting about McNabb. Seeing the video of him arriving at Dulles yesterday I think it finally started to hit me, McNabb is our QB!

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The more this sinks in the more excited I'm getting about McNabb. Seeing the video of him arriving at Dulles yesterday I think it finally started to hit me, McNabb is our QB!

Totally!
It has taken moment or two to get over the......Eagle thing as I have been in McNabb "hate mode" for years.
The dude is the qb, I fear most in the East......I'm good with it
CAN'T wait. It might be interesting how good he makes our recievers. I'm not sure our guys can remember how to catch a ball....."in Stride"

[davy]

Mcnabb is a notoriously streaky passer, I'm not convinced a more run-oriented offence will suit him at all.

[44ever]

Since my brother is a die hard Eagles fan and Im from Syracuse, Ive seen A LOT of Mcnabb. A LOT!!! (Almost every game including college games.) And I will tell you this. Don't go of his stats. He is an Awesome QB! In fact he is the best QB we have had here since Joe Theismann. Count on that!

[Monkeydad]

A big reason why the Iggles were so badly embarrassed against Dallas was their complete lack of defense. Their offensive line had the injury bug too, he was sacked 12 times in their final 3 games. Look up the old threads from last season, the Eagles had massive injuries as well.

Am I defending Philly? Not at all...but do I think the Eagles gave McNabb away for less than they should have? Yes. I think they'll regret A.) handing the reigns to Kolb without having McNabb there to step back in when needed B.) trading him to a division rival.

Yes he's literally lost a step (his running game has regressed) but he has improved his passing over his career. He could give us a solid 4-5 years if we keep him healthy. I hope he does, it willl help us win, but more so...it will rub salt into Philly's wounds. I hope this turns out to be one of the worst trade blunders in NFL history for the Eagles...couldn't happen to a more deserving team (except maybe Dallas).

I think his best games will be against his old team. I hope it's on a MNF game.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Buster

A big reason why the Iggles were so badly embarrassed against Dallas was their complete lack of defense. Their offensive line had the injury bug too, he was sacked 12 times in their final 3 games. Look up the old threads from last season, the Eagles had massive injuries as well.

Am I defending Philly? Not at all...but do I think the Eagles gave McNabb away for less than they should have? Yes. I think they'll regret A.) handing the reigns to Kolb without having McNabb there to step back in when needed B.) trading him to a division rival.

Yes he's literally lost a step (his running game has regressed) but he has improved his passing over his career. He could give us a solid 4-5 years if we keep him healthy. I hope he does, it willl help us win, but more so...it will rub salt into Philly's wounds. I hope this turns out to be one of the worst trade blunders in NFL history for the Eagles...couldn't happen to a more deserving team (except maybe Dallas).

I think his best games will be against his old team. I hope it's on a MNF game.

The points you make are what is ultimatley going to be the concern going foreward. The results of this trade, if it turns out to be positive Redskins....negative Kolb and the Eagles, some in their FO will be looking over their shoulder.

I'll never be convinced Andy Reid wanted to trade Donovan, the pressure to do so was coming from over his head.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

The points you make are what is ultimatley going to be the concern going foreward. The results of this trade, if it turns out to be positive Redskins....negative Kolb and the Eagles, some in their FO will be looking over their shoulder.

I'll never be convinced Andy Reid wanted to trade Donovan, the pressure to do so was coming from over his head.

It definitely seems that Reid was strong armed in to making this deal.