AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

There's so much talk from each side of the fence I don't know how anyone can draw a hard line in the sand and tell who's more right or wrong in all of this. I think both sides have their points.

This is what we know, AH has skipped out on voluntary workouts. Big deal? Not really in the big picture. AH was offered up in a trade to Philly. Big deal? Not really, he's one of the biggest bargaining chips we have and more than anything I think the FO wanted to try to avoid paying that $21M bonus.

What all of this comes down to is AH wasn't hand picked by this staff. And AH didn't sign on to play with this current staff either. Changes happen all the time in this league, one team's treasure is another team's trash, and vice versa. Hopefully in the end things work out best for both sides.

I'd like to see AH stay, and I think all of this will blow over with time. But if a team comes knocking with a trade offer of multiple picks, I wouldn't complain about that either.

well said

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

There's so much talk from each side of the fence I don't know how anyone can draw a hard line in the sand and tell who's more right or wrong in all of this. I think both sides have their points.

This is what we know, AH has skipped out on voluntary workouts. Big deal? Not really in the big picture. AH was offered up in a trade to Philly. Big deal? Not really, he's one of the biggest bargaining chips we have and more than anything I think the FO wanted to try to avoid paying that $21M bonus.

What all of this comes down to is AH wasn't hand picked by this staff. And AH didn't sign on to play with this current staff either. Changes happen all the time in this league, one team's treasure is another team's trash, and vice versa. Hopefully in the end things work out best for both sides.

I'd like to see AH stay, and I think all of this will blow over with time. But if a team comes knocking with a trade offer of multiple picks, I wouldn't complain about that either.

I think you summarized everything well, except for the fact that haynesworth has skipped minicamp, not just voluntary workouts. its a big deal (atleast to me, but maybe i'm off on this). haynesworth needs to recognize his place. he just got a 20 million dollar check from Snyder. Not showing up for minicamp is incredibly disrespectful and shows a complete lack of respect for the Redskins front office. he can want to be traded and even try to work something out with the team behind the scenes to expedite things. But theres no garauntee that something can be worked out. in the mean time, Haynesworth needs to swallow his pride and do whatever the redskins ask him to do.

[CRAZY TRADE SCENARIOS=]In my mind, Haynesworth is worth about 700 points on the draft value chart.

From the Redskins perspective, we'd want their 1st round pick, 16th overall, which is worth 1000 points. Fortunately for us, we're looking to unload players and the Titans could use quite a few of them (their biggest needs are DT, DE, OLB, WR, CB and FS. I think we could trade some combination of Haynesworth, Carter, McIntosh, Rogers, and Kelly and get their 1stround pick.

I'm hoping we can send McIntosh and Carter to the Saints for Brown/Bushrod and a pick, so i'm thinking Haynesworth, Rogers, and Kelly for the Titans 1st rounder would be a fair deal.[/CRAZY TRADE SCENARIOS]

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I think you summarized everything well, except for the fact that haynesworth has skipped minicamp, not just voluntary workouts. its a big deal (atleast to me, but maybe i'm off on this). haynesworth needs to recognize his place. he just got a 20 million dollar check from Snyder. Not showing up for minicamp is incredibly disrespectful and shows a complete lack of respect for the Redskins front office. he can want to be traded and even try to work something out with the team behind the scenes to expedite things. But theres no garauntee that something can be worked out. in the mean time, Haynesworth needs to swallow his pride and do whatever the redskins ask him to do.

[CRAZY TRADE SCENARIOS=]In my mind, Haynesworth is worth about 700 points on the draft value chart.

From the Redskins perspective, we'd want their 1st round pick, 16th overall, which is worth 1000 points. Fortunately for us, we're looking to unload players and the Titans could use quite a few of them (their biggest needs are DT, DE, OLB, WR, CB and FS. I think we could trade some combination of Haynesworth, Carter, McIntosh, Rogers, and Kelly and get their 1stround pick.

I'm hoping we can send McIntosh and Carter to the Saints for Brown/Bushrod and a pick, so i'm thinking Haynesworth, Rogers, and Kelly for the Titans 1st rounder would be a fair deal.[/CRAZY TRADE SCENARIOS]

Haynesworth, Rogers and Kelly for a first round pick...

Are you drunk?

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Haynesworth, Rogers and Kelly for a first round pick...

Are you drunk?

How about Haynesworth alone for both of the Titans 3rd round picks?

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

How about Haynesworth alone for both of the Titans 3rd round picks?

You are asking the wrong guy. I want the coaches to see how they can use Al this year and if it doesn't work out, trade him in the offseason.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

How about Haynesworth alone for both of the Titans 3rd round picks?

Absolutely not.

[MTK]

I agree with BHA, when MS speaks I'm sure he's on the same page with Haslett.

[SmootSmack]

Should be noted that his minicamp that Haynesworth didn't attend was actually an extra mini-camp. Since Shanahan is a new coach (new to the Skins at least), he has the opportunity to hold two extra mini-camps and he's taking advantage of it. This first minicamp was pretty basic stuff...in other words, he didn't miss much this past weekend

[tryfuhl]

value or not I don't think that anyone wants to give up their 1st right now, especially seeing other recent trades

[celts32]

Allen is clearly setting the table to move down in round 1 even if he gets less then the perceived market value.

[MTK]

Do any teams really stick to the points chart anymore? It may be used as a rough guideline, but I think it's going by the wayside now.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Do any teams really stick to the points chart anymore? It may be used as a rough guideline, but I think it's going by the wayside now.

Could be. IMO It seems that when it's a straight pick for picks trade in that years draft it comes out somewhat close to the chart most times. When players or even future year picks are inserted into a deal it tends to change everything. It seemed like NY moved up for Sanchez for next to nothing last year in my eyes just becasue Mangenus put some over-inflated value on his former Jet players.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Do any teams really stick to the points chart anymore? It may be used as a rough guideline, but I think it's going by the wayside now.

Smart teams like New England stockpile 2nd round picks, because that's where real value is. Considering the ridiculous rookie slotting system of 1st round contracts, Suh and G. McCoy will make guaranteed money comparable to the obscene amount that we threw at Haynesworth. I really hope that the next CBA limits rookie pay in favor of proven veterans. Let a player prove it on the field before he can break the bank.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Smart teams like New England stockpile 2nd round picks, because that's where real value is. Considering the ridiculous rookie slotting system of 1st round contracts, Suh and G. McCoy will make guaranteed money comparable to the obscene amount that we threw at Haynesworth. I really hope that the next CBA limits rookie pay in favor of proven veterans. Let a player prove it on the field before he can break the bank.

I ain't trying to hate buttttt hell yeah give the money to the proven Vet.

[redsk1]

I just get the feeling that AH will be traded on draft day. I imagine though that things may have to break right for the teams who want AH, Detroit and Tennessee. So like everything it's not etched in stone. Maybe it's a case of swapping 1sts w/ Tenn and them throwing in a 2nd this year and next or something along those lines.

It's getting close so i think i'm just thinking of crazy scenarios. Draft day will come and we'll take Okung and we'll be done w/ it.