Lets keep things into perspective and not panic people!

[sdskinsfan2001]

Its hard to show them something in practice if he has to practice with the 3rd team. They need more explosive plays and athletes, he is possibly the best athlete on the team. Start him the next couple games and see what happens.

Originally Posted by chewman

M.S said when Thomas shows them something in practice, he will play in the game.

[InsaneBoost]

Originally Posted by chewman

M.S said when Thomas shows them something in practice, he will play in the game.

So in other words whenever HE feels like he's ready. UGH.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by InsaneBoost

So in other words whenever HE feels like he's ready. UGH.

Of course a player will get to play when the head coach thinks he's ready. That is why you hire the damed head coach in the first place.

That is why Joe Gibbs did not start Colt Brennan - - and why Jim Zorn didn't either.

Devin Thomas had the entire off-season to show the coaching staff that he was worthy of playing WR on a regular basis. During all the OTAs and mini-camps and training camp, he could not make that case.

When players try to determine things like who will play and what position they will play and how assiduously they will follow the system, you get situations like:

Clinton Portis
Albert Haynesworth
LaVar Arrington

Oh good. The team needs lots more of those kinds of situations...

When fans try to determine who should start and who should play what position and what plays should be called on offense or defense, the team is headed for being "on the clock" as of the second week of January.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Of course a player will get to play when the head coach thinks he's ready. That is why you hire the damed head coach in the first place.

That is why Joe Gibbs did not start Colt Brennan - - and why Jim Zorn didn't either.

Devin Thomas had the entire off-season to show the coaching staff that he was worthy of playing WR on a regular basis. During all the OTAs and mini-camps and training camp, he could not make that case.

When players try to determine things like who will play and what position they will play and how assiduously they will follow the system, you get situations like:

Clinton Portis
Albert Haynesworth
LaVar Arrington

Oh good. The team needs lots more of those kinds of situations...

When fans try to determine who should start and who should play what position and what plays should be called on offense or defense, the team is headed for being "on the clock" as of the second week of January.

It's always amusing when fans think they know who should be starting based on what very limited knowledge we have of these players vs the coaches who live, eat, and breath football with these guys. And it's not like Devin Thomas had a great track record prior to Shanahan either.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

It's always amusing when fans think they know who should be starting based on what very limited knowledge we have of these players vs the coaches who live, eat, and breath football with these guys. And it's not like Devin Thomas had a great track record prior to Shanahan either.

FANS DON'T KNOW??? WTF are you talking about???
There are about 42k posts on this site in the last 2 days that would state otherwise......

Shannaha.....Pfft
Haslett....Pffft
Allen....Pfft
wtf do they know. They just been doin' this shit all their lives.....HTTR

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

It's always amusing when fans think they know who should be starting based on what very limited knowledge we have of these players vs the coaches who live, eat, and breath football with these guys. And it's not like Devin Thomas had a great track record prior to Shanahan either.

Roydell Williams and Armstrong are really killing it out there. Aren't they? It's not that hard to design a few easy plays for DT. It doesn't take a coach inside the building to know that. We all know DT can run well so throw him a few wr screens. Figure out what he can do well and get him going that way. Plus Davis had his guy beat on the interference play. How come we didn't see Davis the rest of the day? These are simple things. Not gonna bitch about the offense too much but if I can figure some of this crap out then how come they can't?

[skinsfaninok]

I just HATE VC with all my heart!!!! **** tard son of a bitch

[DCtoAZ]

Anybody talking about draft picks is such a tool .. come on people we are 1-2 ... don't give up on the season due to about 4 quarters of poor football ... we aren't the lions .. we are not the raiders ... we have talent ... we can change a lot of minds by showing up this weekend .. enough DRAFT PICK talk, makes me sick .. we are all pissed off enough due to yesterday's non-performance, don't make it worse by acting like we need trash bags over our heads at the games ... it's a loss ... it sucked .. move the "F" on

[sdskinsfan2001]

You are what your record is. And we are a 1 and 2 football team with a hold penalty away from being 0 and 3. Look at our schedule see where we are going to win 6 more games or so, I cant do it. Its being realistic to think that we need at least another good draft before we will be on the right track. T. Williams and Orakpo have us on the right path with getting younger, we need more defensive players that fit in with the 3-4 system.

Originally Posted by DCtoAZ

Anybody talking about draft picks is such a tool .. come on people we are 1-2 ... don't give up on the season due to about 4 quarters of poor football ... we aren't the lions .. we are not the raiders ... we have talent ... we can change a lot of minds by showing up this weekend .. enough DRAFT PICK talk, makes me sick .. we are all pissed off enough due to yesterday's non-performance, don't make it worse by acting like we need trash bags over our heads at the games ... it's a loss ... it sucked .. move the "F" on

[irish]

Originally Posted by DCtoAZ

Anybody talking about draft picks is such a tool .. come on people we are 1-2 ... don't give up on the season due to about 4 quarters of poor football ... we aren't the lions .. we are not the raiders ... we have talent ... we can change a lot of minds by showing up this weekend .. enough DRAFT PICK talk, makes me sick .. we are all pissed off enough due to yesterday's non-performance, don't make it worse by acting like we need trash bags over our heads at the games ... it's a loss ... it sucked .. move the "F" on

I'm not sure how you think the Redskins arent pretty much the same as the Lion & Raiders. They lost to the Lions last year and barely beat the Raiders. They have lost to the Rams the last 2 times they have played them. The Skins have lost something like 13 of their last 14 road games, that's pretty Lion-like to me. I know its tough to admit but the Redskins are a bottom tier team and that isnst going to change for quite sometime because outside of Orakpo & Williams they essentially have no young core that appears poised to step in and become stars in a season or two. This is going to be a long rebuilding (of the team and the organizational culture) process.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by irish

I'm not sure how you think the Redskins arent pretty much the same as the Lion & Raiders. They lost to the Lions last year and barely beat the Raiders. They have lost to the Rams the last 2 times they have played them. The Skins have lost something like 13 of their last 14 road games, that's pretty Lion-like to me. I know its tough to admit but the Redskins are a bottom tier team and that isnst going to change for quite sometime because outside of Orakpo & Williams they essentially have no young core that appears poised to step in and become stars in a season or two. This is going to be a long rebuilding (of the team and the organizational culture) process.

There are 2 differences that separate our skins from the bottom teams like Oakland & Detroit:

1) We've had a few playoff appearances this decade & managed to be 8-8 just two seasons ago. i.e. we trend closer to mediocrity than those teams.

2) we have done this at great expense w/Haynesworth being the latest example.

Otherwise, I agree w/you.

[irish]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

There are 2 differences that separate our skins from the bottom teams like Oakland & Detroit:

1) We've had a few playoff appearances this decade & managed to be 8-8 just two seasons ago. i.e. we trend closer to mediocrity than those teams.

2) we have done this at great expense w/Haynesworth being the latest example.

Otherwise, I agree w/you.

Oakland has more playoff appearances this decade than the Skins. So do the Rams. The Lions are in a class all by themselves.

I'm not sure what expense has to do with it other than the Skins are over-paying with nothing to show for it and have done so at the expense of developing their own core of young players.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by DCtoAZ

Anybody talking about draft picks is such a tool .. come on people we are 1-2 ... don't give up on the season due to about 4 quarters of poor football ... we aren't the lions .. we are not the raiders ... we have talent ... we can change a lot of minds by showing up this weekend .. enough DRAFT PICK talk, makes me sick .. we are all pissed off enough due to yesterday's non-performance, don't make it worse by acting like we need trash bags over our heads at the games ... it's a loss ... it sucked .. move the "F" on

I agree overall, but remember we lost to detroit, we had a worse record than oakland, and now we lost to the Rams. Hey if they can get their tails in gear then great, but I saw those first 14 points and might possibly have a put a bag over my head. They need to get over themselves and simply play like a blue collar workaholic team. Further if DT can't get on the field its his own d*** fault. Its not like Kyle doesn't want to have an explosive WR so I am sure DT would be on the field if he and mcnabb were lighting it up in practice.

[skinsnut]

After mid preseason, I said this was a 7-9 team...I said 6-10 last season and was wrong.
The reality is this...our defense is far worse than even I anticipated and we cant run.
This team has forgotten how to win... and the inability of the new coaching staff to put the best talent on the field is unacceptable....why is Haynesworth on the bench with a last ranked defense?...why is DT not on the field as the #2 WR?...why are they rotating Olinemen?....why is Portis sitting when he was averaging 8 yards a carry and showing a good burst in a tight game....why did the coaching staff abandon the run when the defense clearly couldn't stop anything?

This haslett thing is hitting hard way earlier than anticipated...many expected a drop off in defensive performance...but a top 10 defense turning to pure CRAP so quickly is appaling...this oline was bad last year...but we have never had rushing problems this severe...this all just proves one thing....Gibbs was far better than most of us realized.
This is a poor team with a new coaching staff that does not yet know how to put its best players on the field yet.

The first fix to this team is a major overhaul in defensive scheme to go back to a 4-3 hybrid combined with a power rushing hybrid zone blocking scheme.

This radical shift in both cannot occur successfully in one year.
This team is underperforming even the lowest expectations of 7-9.
This is a 6-10 team at best.
Get used to losing....again....
Don't mean to be a downer....just looking at the reality of the situation.
Try to enjoy 1 win per month like last year folks.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

After mid preseason, I said this was a 7-9 team...I said 6-10 last season and was wrong.
The reality is this...our defense is far worse than even I anticipated and we cant run.
This team has forgotten how to win... and the inability of the new coaching staff to put the best talent on the field is unacceptable....why is Haynesworth on the bench with a last ranked defense?...why is DT not on the field as the #2 WR?...why are they rotating Olinemen?....why is Portis sitting when he was averaging 8 yards a carry and showing a good burst in a tight game....why did the coaching staff abandon the run when the defense clearly couldn't stop anything?

This haslett thing is hitting hard way earlier than anticipated...many expected a drop off in defensive performance...but a top 10 defense turning to pure CRAP so quickly is appaling...this oline was bad last year...but we have never had rushing problems this severe...this all just proves one thing....Gibbs was far better than most of us realized.
This is a poor team with a new coaching staff that does not yet know how to put its best players on the field yet.

The first fix to this team is a major overhaul in defensive scheme to go back to a 4-3 hybrid combined with a power rushing hybrid zone blocking scheme.

This radical shift in both cannot occur successfully in one year.
This team is underperforming even the lowest expectations of 7-9.
This is a 6-10 team at best.
Get used to losing....again....
Don't mean to be a downer....just looking at the reality of the situation.
Try to enjoy 1 win per month like last year folks.

If it was possible to agree more than 100%, I would. Great post. Can't really say it any better than that.

Portis averages 8 yards a carry in the first half, we end up with basically no rushing yards in the second half, and Shanny's explanation for giving the carries to Torain is "we wanted to stick with the hot hand." ????? Whaaaaat?

Run the ball. Stop the run (or the pass for God's sake). A proven formula to win games. We do neither. At all. Given our next 3 opponents, we are staring 1-5 square in the face. That's the perspective.

If I was an oddsmaker, if aceinthehouse bet $1 on his 14-2 prediction at this point and he won, he'd be a billionaire.