sam bradford

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I think you guys are generalizing quite a bit in regards to Bill Walsh's WCO w/ Montana and Young.
Walsh WCO was a complete passing game 3-5-7 step drops they went deep quite often.
There WCO wasn't a 3 step heavy variety like Jon Gruden favors or like the Rams ran for Bradford.

I know Walsh had a use for all of those drop lengths. But the guy was just going by his imperfect memory, which was steeped with "short pass and YAC" with Young and Montana.

I just meant to say that it wasn't the QB's "style" or habits that made them appear to check down every time, but rather it was because Walsh called designed short passing plays.

I never saw those 49ers play in the time period, but I have read Walsh's playbooks and writings.

[Meks]

One year in the league and he's already as system qb ... rams offense is 75% quick slants ... Bradford isn't as good as most of u think... but he is going to get better IMO and develop to be a better all around qb

[MTK]

The Rams did a lot to protect Bradford, but that's the smart thing to do with a rookie. I think next year we'll see their offense open up a lot more.

[30gut]

I'm a bit of a Bill Walsh and WCO buff myself, and if you didn't see his 49ers offenses you might believe that they were a strictly short passing offense but they were a complete passing offense:

Originally Posted by Bill Walsh

A fully dimensional passing game should include, in varying degrees, several types of passes. Not only does having several forms of passing in the passing scheme give a team a variety of offensive weapons, it also enhances the ability of the team to handle each contingency condition and situationsd it occurs.
"....the coaching staff should guard against being "seduced" by the relative ease of completing 3-step drop passes"
"A key factor to consider when using the 3 step drop pass is how much yardage is gained relative to the number of times the play is run. An offensive scheme using 3-step drop passes which doesn't produce relatively significant yardage, despite numerous opportunities, may be serving the defense more than the offense."

-Bill Walsh
'Finding the winning edge'

Here's a vid that shows a glimpse of there 7 step game

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I'm a bit of a Bill Walsh and WCO buff myself, and if you didn't see his 49ers offenses you might believe that they were a strictly short passing offense but they were a complete passing offense:


Here's a vid that shows a glimpse of there 7 step game

I've read some of his stuff(wikipedia links to some of his coaching documents at Stanford, etc) months ago. What you said is true. I'm not trying to disagree with you.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

I've read some of his stuff(wikipedia links to some of his coaching documents at Stanford, etc) months ago. What you said is true. I'm not trying to disagree with you.

Another case of lost in translation.
Just passing along info, no disagreement here.
Cheers-

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The Rams did a lot to protect Bradford, but that's the smart thing to do with a rookie. I think next year we'll see their offense open up a lot more.

Their best move was sending Richie Incognito and Alex Barron out of town.

Was their a worse O-line duo in the history of the NFL?

[30gut]

Josh McDaniels might be a lot of things, but the dude can coach the passing game.
I think this is a great move for Bradford and the Rams. (maybe not so much for Jackson though)
I think the trade off of changing systems is worth the benefit of marrying up McDaniels knowledge of the spread w/ Bradford's proficiency executing the spread.

[SBXVII]

Perhaps there is hardly any talk because .... HE'S A RAM!
But if your going to start a thread about all the recent rookie QB's then yeah he's good as well as Sanchez and Stafford.

[CultBrennan59]

seeing this thread reminded me;
I was listening to ESPN 980 the other day, and I heard I think it was steve czaban, saying that he heard from a high ranking redskins official, that last year Mike Shanahan wanted Bradford badly. He decided to trade for McNabb, in hopes that Trading McNabb and the fourth overall pick that that would be good enough to get the number one overall pick and get Sam Bradford. He had even talked to the Rams front office and asked them if they wanted McNabb, they said they would definitely consider it and that it was a good possibility they would take that trade offer, but a few weeks later after he had his pro day and met with the rams, the rams felt that he was too good to pass up on and that they needed to get younger. Shanahan even told Bradford that when they met for a workout and dining experience that he said 'theres a good chance that you will be on our team this fall.' Rams called a few days later saying, 'sorry we want him, no trade.' Shanahan, Kyle and Mike, didn't really want McNabb, they just wanted a better chance at getting Bradford, which ended up being a gamble that didn't turn out.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

seeing this thread reminded me;
I was listening to ESPN 980 the other day, and I heard I think it was steve czaban, saying that he heard from a high ranking redskins official, that last year Mike Shanahan wanted Bradford badly. He decided to trade for McNabb, in hopes that Trading McNabb and the fourth overall pick that that would be good enough to get the number one overall pick and get Sam Bradford. He had even talked to the Rams front office and asked them if they wanted McNabb, they said they would definitely consider it and that it was a good possibility they would take that trade offer, but a few weeks later after he had his pro day and met with the rams, the rams felt that he was too good to pass up on and that they needed to get younger. Shanahan even told Bradford that when they met for a workout and dining experience that he said 'theres a good chance that you will be on our team this fall.' Rams called a few days later saying, 'sorry we want him, no trade.' Shanahan, Kyle and Mike, didn't really want McNabb, they just wanted a better chance at getting Bradford, which ended up being a gamble that didn't turn out.

Why go through all that when you could just offer your 1st & 2nd. I think SS story sounds more beleiveable.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

Why go through all that when you could just offer your 1st & 2nd. I think SS story sounds more beleiveable.

That's what I say, but again this is what I heard on the radio the other day.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

seeing this thread reminded me;
I was listening to ESPN 980 the other day, and I heard I think it was steve czaban, saying that he heard from a high ranking redskins official, that last year Mike Shanahan wanted Bradford badly.

I listen to Czab in the morning and he is hilarious in a hybrid homer simpson/george costanza sort of way. But you really gotta fact check the sh*t his says. he gives some bad info.

I still remember when Czab ask Mark Brunell if he would bench himself for the better of the team on CSN. Classic.

[SmootSmack]

Not true. They went for McNabb after it was clear Bradford was no longer an option

[skinsfaninok]

Sam is the next Peyton Manning and they don't come around very often. STL will be pretty
damn good for a LONG TIME