McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...

[juskins]

Originally Posted by GMScud

How does this in any way relate to my post that you quoted?

Head coaches and the teams they coach need one voice to make the calls that previous coaches lost their jobs because they went along with business as usual.

Your reference about NE being a good example of knowing how to mix kind words and deeds in handling these types of situations, reminds me of players in the past who played for NE complaining that they were lied to by the HC, recently, Randy Moss.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by juskins

Head coaches and the teams they coach need one voice to make the calls that previous coaches lost their jobs because they went along with business as usual.

Your reference about NE being a good example of knowing how to mix kind words and deeds in handling these types of situations, reminds me of players in the past who played for NE complaining that they were lied to by the HC, recently, Randy Moss.

Belichick doesn't publicly humiliate his players nor does he announce his hypothetical plans for the players to the public like saying I'll welcome player X back as a backup. The latter would weaken his leverage in negotiations with other teams for trades. They may feel bad that he let them go too soon and that they still could have contributed to the Pats success, but that's it. Just business.

[juskins]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Belichick doesn't publicly humiliate his players nor does he announce his hypothetical plans for the players to the public like saying I'll welcome player X back as a backup. The latter would weaken his leverage in negotiations with other teams for trades. They may feel bad that he let them go too soon and that they still could have contributed to the Pats success, but that's it. Just business.

So, the truth comes out. You can't stomach a head coach (a Redskins HC) telling a veteran QB to go get screwed. I have no problem with it. This is about making the Washington Redskins a better team. Not a personality parade.

Donovan if you feel disrespected, how do you think the defensive team feels when you purposely throw the ball in the ground. Or take an unnecessary sack?

BTW, stop using other teams as a model that the Redskins should pattern themselves after.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by juskins

This is football, not some popularity sport. If Donovan leaves, so what? I would rather have a coach realize his weak spots on the team and take action. Let the coach set the theme, not the players, media or political correctness.

If all you care about is bettering the team, how about your dear god Mike Shanahan utterly destroying the trade value of his players? And Andy Reid got rid of McNabb without this "burning the entire bridge" ****wittery between player and coach.

And seriously, you're a guy who believes that Allen really called the shots on McNabb and Shanahan just followed along because there was "no better option"? There is ALWAYS an option to simply give up a couple years to stockpile the roster with young guys to build a core, and then pounce on a young QB when the time is right.

Allen has always been a subordinate who just makes sure they don't violate the salary cap and the like. Gruden called the shots in Tampa with regards to talent picking, and Shanahan has been calling the shots for his entire in Denver, and he doesn't play second fiddle to anyone.

Lastly, McNabb's physical skillset ( at least in the past) does appear to fit what Shanahan wants out of his QB. He wants a mobile and a big armed QB because of his frequent use of play action bootlegs and deep balls.

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And separately, thanks for correcting me on the other post.

[juskins]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

If all you care about is bettering the team, how about your dear god Mike Shanahan utterly destroying the trade value of his players? And Andy Reid got rid of McNabb without this "burning the entire bridge" ****wittery between player and coach.

And seriously, you're a guy who believes that Allen really called the shots on McNabb and Shanahan just followed along because there was "no better option"? There is ALWAYS an option to simply give up a couple years to stockpile the roster with young guys to build a core, and then pounce on a young QB when the time is right.

Allen has always been a subordinate who just makes sure they don't violate the salary cap and the like. Gruden called the shots in Tampa with regards to talent picking, and Shanahan has been calling the shots for his entire in Denver, and he doesn't play second fiddle to anyone.

Lastly, McNabb's physical skillset ( at least in the past) does appear to fit what Shanahan wants out of his QB. He wants a mobile and a big armed QB because of his frequent use of play action bootlegs and deep balls.

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And separately, thanks for correcting me on the other post.

At the time of the McNabb trade, we all thought that he was a vast improvement over Campbell. Kyle knows how his play calling should be executed. In my opinion, Donovan is not always in the game. If he can run this offense but on occasions his head and body are elsewhere, then he is not the guy to run it. He may not be hungry enough. There are NO excuses for him. He should know better. Either come in and compete or let us find the right fix. This has nothing to do with GM vs HC. It's about winning and being competitive!

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by juskins

At the time of the McNabb trade, we all thought that he was a vast improvement over Campbell. Kyle knows how his play calling should be executed. In my opinion, Donovan is not always in the game. If he can run this offense but on occasions his head and body are elsewhere, then he is not the guy to run it. He may not be hungry enough. There are NO excuses for him. He should know better. Either come in and compete or let us find the right fix. This has nothing to do with GM vs HC. It's about winning and being competitive!

I'm not sure what exactly this post is responding to?

It's clear you do not bother to distinguish between act of benchings, which are easily justifiable here, and the stupid leaks/explanations to the press such as him welcoming McNabb back as only a backup next season, which other experienced coaches don't leak out into the public. The media is going to spout nonsense, but Shanahan added his own fuel to the fire because he couldn't keep it to a terse "no comment" or a bit of generic cookie cutter praise such "they all just fought their guts out" and humiliated his quarterback while Andy Reid did not. The benching is not the big deal, it's the airing of dirty laundry to the media.

[juskins]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

I'm not sure what exactly this post is responding to?

It's clear you do not bother to distinguish between act of benchings, which are easily justifiable here, and the stupid leaks/explanations to the press such as him welcoming McNabb back as only a backup next season, which other experienced coaches don't leak out into the public. The media is going to spout nonsense, but Shanahan added his own fuel to the fire because he couldn't keep it to a terse "no comment" or a bit of generic cookie cutter praise such "they all just fought their guts out" and humiliated his quarterback while Andy Reid did not. The benching is not the big deal, it's the airing of dirty laundry to the media.

Responding again to your same theme about Mike Shannahan showing bad taste in dealing with the benching of Donovan McNabb later on in the week instead of informing him in the earlier part of the same week of Shannahan's decision to go with Rex Grossman is a mute point on your part.

He is the head coach and can say and do what he wants to say, no matter what you and press think. I was surprise like many, but I did not consider it as a disrespectful move. After all, Donovan has disrespected the Redskins by pretending to be concerned about this organization. If he cares then learn everything about the nuances about this offense to make it work.

The story is not about Andy Reid or the media or the leaks coming out of Redskins Park. It's about improving the team.

I guess Shannahan is telling McNabb to kiss his ass. If Donovan does not want to play as he was billed up to be an upgrade over Campbell then sit and run the scout team, in other words, screw you Donovan. Shannahan will deal with him when the season is over.

Who gives a flying shit about the media. The media and people like you are flaming this nonsense. How do you think Sonny Jurgensen felt when he was benched? Or Vince Young? It does not matter who rides the pine but someone has to.

[Hamoskinz]

The NFL is sort of a mix of politics, hollywood, media and sports. The coaches cannot coach according to their own schemes gameplans etc... without the other parts trying to interfere with it.

If I was a coach, I would play the best players. McNabb wasn't getting it done, and I would have sat him disregard of his illustrious history with the Eagles.

If he didn't play within the scheme like tempo, feet placement, reads and all other stuff coaches look at, and the backup did those things better - I would do the same thing. F all the other BS like 'respect for a vet QB', I would want to evaluate the backup and see if he's worth more than dog poop, and apparently he is.

When a HC is afraid to rock the boat in order to improve this team, he should step down. I see alot of skins fan calling for a change in HC, I guess some people want us to go back to a team being run by players, media, fans, owner etc... - the old country club.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Hamoskinz

The NFL is sort of a mix of politics, hollywood, media and sports. The coaches cannot coach according to their own schemes gameplans etc... without the other parts trying to interfere with it.

If I was a coach, I would play the best players. McNabb wasn't getting it done, and I would have sat him disregard of his illustrious history with the Eagles.

If he didn't play within the scheme like tempo, feet placement, reads and all other stuff coaches look at, and the backup did those things better - I would do the same thing. F all the other BS like 'respect for a vet QB', I would want to evaluate the backup and see if he's worth more than dog poop, and apparently he is.

When a HC is afraid to rock the boat in order to improve this team, he should step down. I see alot of skins fan calling for a change in HC, I guess some people want us to go back to a team being run by players, media, fans, owner etc... - the old country club.

The benching itself is not the problem, it's airing out the dirty laundry such as him will to have McNabb return as a backup.
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[Defensewins]

I have lost some respect for Shanahan. All of the leaks in the press really irks me and is not very classy. A coach is a leader of men, he is supposed to motivate them, not treat them like like shit and throw them under the bus because the theam has a losing record. When your leader is a bitch in the press, and leaking things even before the player is informed is weak. Makes me want to kick him in the baby maker.
Shanahan is protecting his son. He is inflexible and stubborn to a fault. He will never admit any mistakes or wrong doing. I can not respect someone like that. I do not care how many Sb's he won with Elway.
FRPLG said early on this thread that McNabb is not deserving or respect because he played well in Philadelphia not Washington. Well the same has to apply to Shanahan.
I want continuity and I do not want Shanahan replaced or fired. But I want him to be a good leader and not be a weasel.
I do however want Haslett and last ranked defense gone. The guy has never impressed me and I want a coach that brings more to the table.

[Shadowbyte]

Here's what the DM5 haters fail to realize. Before the McNabb fiasco happened it was predicted that Shannahan would scapegoat another player due to his failure to bring results.

The biggest failure was his reluctance to bring in better recievers, his switch to the 3-4, and starting a 38 year old reciever and 2 washed up RB's long past their prime. These decisons were more detrimental to the team than DM5's completion percentage.

Completion percentages don't win games, if you don't believe me, look at Kyle Orton's stats. I rest my case.

With that being said, I understand that the fans (most) are always going to side with the coach/management when there's a dispute between them and a player. So I don't put much stock into the negative nannies who continue to harp on McNabb.

Here's one fact that i'll be willing to bet my life on. Next year, DM5's new team will win more games than the Washington Redskins. Just as JC has won more games with this new team. Once this revelation comes to pass, it's going to be gratifying to utter the old adage, "I told you so".

[juskins]

Originally Posted by Shadowbyte

Here's what the DM5 haters fail to realize. Before the McNabb fiasco happened it was predicted that Shannahan would scapegoat another player due to his failure to bring results.

The biggest failure was his reluctance to bring in better recievers, his switch to the 3-4, and starting a 38 year old reciever and 2 washed up RB's long past their prime. These decisons were more detrimental to the team than DM5's completion percentage.

Completion percentages don't win games, if you don't believe me, look at Kyle Orton's stats. I rest my case.

With that being said, I understand that the fans (most) are always going to side with the coach/management when there's a dispute between them and a player. So I don't put much stock into the negative nannies who continue to harp on McNabb.

Here's one fact that i'll be willing to bet my life on. Next year, DM5's new team will win more games than the Washington Redskins. Just as JC has won more games with this new team. Once this revelation comes to pass, it's going to be gratifying to utter the old adage, "I told you so".

I was delighted to hear Campbell was traded. If McNabb is subjected to the same faith, good luck Donovan.

Here's another revelation surrounding the Washington Redskins: As long as they don't have turn over at key positions they will always be stuck with the under achievers, as mentioned above.

A coach has to change the mind set of this franchise in order to bring a winner to this area. It starts with your QB. Of course there are other positions that must be addressed. But the QB sets the tempo for change.

BTW, Campbell is not doing that well at all. He has always been a game time decision in Oakland. Another example of a head coach taking his sweet time to inform the QBs who will start.

As long as we have the mentality of Jason Campbell and Donovan McNabb in our pilot house we will be mediocre. The QB sets the mindset of a team.

This is the first year of Mike's tenure and I think he never had that many bright spots on this team. Defense was/is his strong suit. Changing to a 34 defense is no big deal if you have speed at the LBer position. You also need a solid pass rush. I have no problem with a coach changing things up as he sees fit to build a better team.

The problem with some fans around here is that they are use to destroying the foundation of the team through impatience and criticism. And an owner who cannot stay the course to see a coaches dream put into reality.

[Brody81]

The problem with some fans around here is that they are use to destroying the foundation of the team through impatience and criticism. And an owner who cannot stay the course to see a coaches dream put into reality.[/QUOTE]

I couldn't agree more....

[SirClintonPortis]

The problem with some fans around here is that they are use to destroying the foundation of the team through impatience and criticism. And an owner who cannot stay the course to see a coaches dream put into reality.

Trading away draft picks sure destroyed this team's foundation..yet Shanahan traded them away yet again for Brown and McNabb. Snyder gave Gibbs plenty of time and even gave Zorn one too many years.

[juskins]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Trading away draft picks sure destroyed this team's foundation..yet Shanahan traded them away yet again for Brown and McNabb. Snyder gave Gibbs plenty of time and even gave Zorn one too many years.

We are talking about philosophy of the motivational make up of a NFL team. You are purposely getting off track here.