Football Outsiders: Worst rated CBs in the NFL in 2010 (DeAngelo ranked #2)

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Strip, Scoop, Score!

YouTube - Washington Redskins 13 Dallas Cowboys 7 - DeAngelo Hall Fumble Return Touchdown [HD]

IDK why 23 gets hated so much buy his own fans? Sad really if u think about it.. Hall is twice the corner Fred Smoot was IMO, Now thats a guy who was overrated.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

IDK why 23 gets hated so much buy his own fans? Sad really if u think about it.. Hall is twice the corner Fred Smoot was IMO, Now thats a guy who was overrated.

Go **** yourself sideways with a lunchbox...hater!

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

Leave D Hall alone, he gets a free pass for the rest of his career for his play against Dallas in the season opener!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey, McNabb made a play or two during the 2010 season. I say we keep him! yeah, forget all those dirt balls and other stupid shit that cost us games. He made a play!!!

Originally Posted by Angry

If Luck makes you win, then so be it. What was that old cliche...

There is a lot of luck involved in winning Super Bowls (ball bounces on fumbles, injuries, bad calls, etc). A team that perseveres through the luck (good or bad) will be standing in the end.

Originally Posted by 44ever

Strip, Scoop, Score!

YouTube - Washington Redskins 13 Dallas Cowboys 7 - DeAngelo Hall Fumble Return Touchdown [HD]

I'll see that and raise you.

2 of his 3 TDs given up by D. Hall. - Loss to Detroit


Look at that pathetic attempt. No discipline whatsoever. -Loss to the Giants


How could we forget this gem? The Eagles monday night game. -Blowout loss


Leaves his man wide open in the back of the end zone. - Loss to the Rams



Allows Miles Austin to score in week 15. - Loss to the Cowboys


Same game, gives up a score to Witten. He was gambling going for the ball. - Still a loss




Week 1 against Dallas. (now apparent they were playing zone) Guess who's man caught the potential game winning TD? Notice Buchanon (31 at bottom) stays with his man until he goes in the middle and passes him off to the next defender. D. Hall left his zone wide open continue to follow the initial guy through. We can thank Orakpo here. - Surprisingly we won this.




Same game in week 1. D. Hall gives up the score to Miles Austin in back of the end zone. (3:01 mark in the game) - Surprisingly we won this.

NFL Game Center: Dallas Cowboys at Washington Redskins - 2010 Week 1


I know you guys are used to seeing guys half ass it and suck big times for the past decade, but be a better Redskins fan and demand more. We deserve a player who's going to show up and play his position with discipline as well as talent.

[SmootSmack]

By the way, I never realized how much Fred Smoot looks like LaDanian Tomlinson

Fred Smoot - Washington Redskins - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

[skinsfaninok]

Lol my fault SS !!! Haha

[Swarley]

No one noticed DeAngelo's improved tackling and general improvement in hustle (for lack of better term)?

or are we all about the numbers?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GreekSkin

No one noticed DeAngelo's improved tackling and general improvement in hustle (for lack of better term)?

or are we all about the numbers?

I don't know anyone wanted to talk about DeAngelo Hall's much improved run defense (seriously), I mean there are people who still think he's good against the pass.

I don't know about general improvement in hustle. He's always been that kind of player that puts that chip back on his shoulder when things are going well and raises his level of play to prove a point. A true frontrunner who, ironically, will never be employed by a frontrunner.

I'll say this: I'd never bet against Hall once he feels he has a quarterback figured out. If he actually starts to be right on his reads, he's as dangerous as anyone out there. The numbers are just there to remind us that this doesn't get to that level all that often. I mean, fourth quarter of the Lions game on: did he ever really get in a groove the rest of the year? No, he never got a good read on the quarterbacks he was facing, and was held without an INT for 8 games.

But boy, whoever put Matt Cassel in the pro bowl played right into his hands. He definitely had his number that game.

[Masshole]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I don't know anyone wanted to talk about DeAngelo Hall's much improved run defense (seriously), I mean there are people who still think he's good against the pass.

I don't know about general improvement in hustle. He's always been that kind of player that puts that chip back on his shoulder when things are going well and raises his level of play to prove a point. A true frontrunner who, ironically, will never be employed by a frontrunner.

I'll say this: I'd never bet against Hall once he feels he has a quarterback figured out. If he actually starts to be right on his reads, he's as dangerous as anyone out there. The numbers are just there to remind us that this doesn't get to that level all that often. I mean, fourth quarter of the Lions game on: did he ever really get in a groove the rest of the year? No, he never got a good read on the quarterbacks he was facing, and was held without an INT for 8 games.

But boy, whoever put Matt Cassel in the pro bowl played right into his hands. He definitely had his number that game.

As someone who spent the entire 2010 offseason complaining about how Hall would be a disaster in the 3-4 because he can't tackle anyone, I definitely was surprised by how much better Hall was as an open-field tackler, and yes, that deserves some credit. But that's really not the point. Deangelo Hall and Jim Haslett really are perfect bed fellows, guys with wildly overinflated reputations in terms of their value and accomplishments, and critical, demonstrable flaws in terms of their career records. For Hall, it lies in what NC Skins said, years upon years of terrible coverage metrics, whether it's KC Joyner, Football Outsiders, or Pro Football Focus. Of course those numbers aren't perfect and won't be so long as the NFL refuses to share coaches tape. But they're the only numbers we have, and the other top cornerbacks routinely make it into the top 10's, so they can't be that off.

But still, its the same thing with Haslett, go back and look at the completely non-controversial, boring conventional stats over the past 10 years, and you'll see that neither guy is ever on a defense that wasn't in the bottom half of the league or (more often that than that) bottom 5-10 teams. Then add that to the fact that our defense was one of the 5 worst in the league last year, and I think there's more than enough evidence to support the fact that Set A, let's call it NFL team success (as quantified by playoff victories), seems to be mutually exclusive from Set B (teams with Haslett led defenses) and Set C (defenses with D. Hall on them).

Einstein always said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and then expecting a different result. I agree. It is positively insane to expect the Redskins to be successful with Jim Haslett at defensive coordinator and D. Hall as our CB1 (though to a lesser extent on Hall). And we will not experience success until both of these guys are gone. Period.

[Swarley]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I don't know anyone wanted to talk about DeAngelo Hall's much improved run defense (seriously), I mean there are people who still think he's good against the pass.

I don't know about general improvement in hustle. He's always been that kind of player that puts that chip back on his shoulder when things are going well and raises his level of play to prove a point. A true frontrunner who, ironically, will never be employed by a frontrunner.

I'll say this: I'd never bet against Hall once he feels he has a quarterback figured out. If he actually starts to be right on his reads, he's as dangerous as anyone out there. The numbers are just there to remind us that this doesn't get to that level all that often. I mean, fourth quarter of the Lions game on: did he ever really get in a groove the rest of the year? No, he never got a good read on the quarterbacks he was facing, and was held without an INT for 8 games.

But boy, whoever put Matt Cassel in the pro bowl played right into his hands. He definitely had his number that game.

ok fair enough, I'll buy that.

[hooskins]

This what happens when no one can present a valid response to points. Thread just ends up with people posting videos, nothing concrete and falling on the haters excuse haha.

Ah, well my work here is done!

[MTK]

I feel like we just had a Hall thread not too long ago. This probably won't be the last. Beats talking about uniforms though I guess.

[Ruhskins]

I don't get how a fan would go through all this trouble to attack a player on the team they are supposedly rooting for. Maybe we can have cafeteria fans, you pick and choose what part of the organization you want to root for.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I don't get how a fan would go through all this trouble to attack a player on the team they are supposedly rooting for. Maybe we can have cafeteria fans, you pick and choose what part of the organization you want to root for.

I like that, we need to use that term more

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I don't get how a fan would go through all this trouble to attack a player on the team they are supposedly rooting for. Maybe we can have cafeteria fans, you pick and choose what part of the organization you want to root for.

Doesn't really make any logical sense, does it?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I don't get how a fan would go through all this trouble to attack a player on the team they are supposedly rooting for. Maybe we can have cafeteria fans, you pick and choose what part of the organization you want to root for.

Maybe because I see him as a huge liability on this defense. (and he is) The numbers and video evidence support everything I (and many others) have been saying for sometime.

What do you want me to do? Put on a pair of these?



Pretend nothing is wrong? Pretend we have the best talent in the league and we are on verge of a 16-0 season? I'm sorry, but I work on the realm of reality. My realm says this team is lacking a lot of talent, and it's going to take some time to replace that talent. During the meantime, I'm still going to pull for my beloved Redskins no matter how dysfunctional they seem.

Originally Posted by 44ever

Doesn't really make any logical sense, does it?

Neither does saying D. Hall is a good CB, but doesn't stop people from doing it.