Was Jamie Dukes out of line on Ryan Mallett?

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

The government and people in general go to extremes one way or another to right wrongs. There comes a time when enough is enough. Things have reached that point in my opinion. There should be no double standards for anyones benefit. Let's move on. But remember to never let it happen again.....toward ANY race.

Not gonna happen 53. It's just not.

[Paintrain]

Dukes statement was stupid but not racist.

One of the major issues with the racial dialogue in this country is that we can't have non emotional discussions about it. I'm going to hop aboard the broad strokes train but most white people don't like discussing issues of race because they either 1) feel that most claims of racism are invalid 2) don't have the experiences to speak about it from multiple perspectives or 3) wish the whole subject would go away so they wouldn't have to deal with it. Most black people get frustrated discussing issues of race because 1) the whole notion of 'the race card' is insulting and dismissive 2) experiencing something and acknowledging something are two different things and many times you can't identify with what you haven't experienced or 3) the specter of 'Jesse and Al' get tossed about as if we all have them on speed dial-again insulting and dismissive. Sadly, none of us will live long enough for race to be a non factor in our country. /end sermon

BTW, I think Jake Locker will make a fine WR/Wildcat QB for some NFL team. :-)

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

BTW, I think Jake Locker will make a fine WR/Wildcat QB for some NFL team. :-)

End thread on this, please!

[skinsfaninok]

Naw Pain Locker will be the next Aaron Rodgers

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Naw Pain Locker will be the next Aaron Rodgers

Someone's ironic humor meter must be on the fritz. That was a parody of all of the 'wildcat QB/WR' suggestions athletic but inaccurate black QB face. Locker is like a Caucasian Brad Smith. (again, a joke just in case of inflamed feelings)

[GTripp0012]

I think Ryan Mallett is solidly a first rounder. But if you look back at the last ten years at all QBs who had negative rushing yards in college...they're tough to develop as pro passers. Either they excel right away, or they never really enjoy success because defenses tee off on them before they have a complete grasp of NFL offense. It's tough to win with a rookie, immobile quarterback because you cannot move the chains by any other means besides a rookie QB throwing the football.

[hooskins]

There is a double standard with statements because of history. A certain race had been enslaved for a bit of time. Just because slavery is over doesn't mean all the reminants are gone. Hence why people get more upset over racist statements towards black people.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by hooskins

There is a double standard with statements because of history. A certain race had been enslaved for a bit of time. Just because slavery is over doesn't mean all the reminants are gone. Hence why people get more upset over racist statements towards black people.

Pretty much every general race (Black, White, Asian, Arabic, etc) has been enslaved at some point. I know back in the middle ages the British used their Irish neighbors as a supply for slaves. A hundred years or so later they found out Africa had more supply, not to mention it would be harder for a black person to hide then a white Irish slave that could blend in. Romans likely made peasants from every conquered territory slaves.

From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland’s population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade. Families were ripped apart as the British did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them across the Atlantic. This led to a helpless population of homeless women and children. Britain’s solution was to auction them off as well.

During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers.

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Pretty much every general race (Black, White, Asian, Arabic, etc) has been enslaved at some point. I know back in the middle ages the British used their Irish neighbors as a supply for slaves. A hundred years or so later they found out Africa had more supply, not to mention it would be harder for a black person to hide then a white Irish slave that could blend in. Romans likely made peasants from every conquered territory slaves.

Not to mention the Egyptians (dark skinned people from North Africa) enslaved Jews. Rival tribes in Africa routinely kept captured enemies as slaves as recently as the 19th century. Today children from various developing countries are sold and kept throughout richer countries. It's not going to end any time soon.

On topic, I'm glad NFLN isn't forcing Dukes to apologize. I thought it was funny watching Waddle make fun of him for referencing Vanilla Ice.

[BuckSkin]

Charley Caserly, presently of NFLN, compares him favorably to Jeff George. Extraordinary arm, but heavy feet.

[Shadowbyte]

I don't why when ever there's any racial discussion going on Whites always have to play the Jessie Jackson Al Sharpton card. There's plenty of White racial ambulance chasers too. Especially Rush Limbaugh. Here's an example.

Obama's America, white kids getting beat up on school buses now. You put your kids on a school bus, you expect safety but in Obama's America the white kids now get beat up with the black kids cheering

From Kids on Bus to Kanye West: Race Rules All in Obama's America

Also, Fox News says racist stuff about Blacks all day long. So to say there's a "double" standard is rediculous. As If Blacks are the only ones who make politically incorrect statements.

YouTube - Fox Attacks: Black America

Now I don't see any of you self righteous defenders of parity condeming what's happenign on the other side of the political spectrum. Also, as for the NFL network. I get sick and tired of them questioning the mental dexterity of Black QB's. All of the criticisms center around the mental and psycological aspects of the position. I've never heard a White QB on their get critisized for their ability to "read-defenses" or "study his playbook".

[skinsfaninok]

^ really ? So they didnt say tebow struggled reading defense and his mechanics were very bad? Because I could have swore they did. I agree with the black QB crap but in all fairness historically they aren't very accurate passers, Moon was phenomenal but for instance look at it today, Vick? mcnabb? Garrard? I mean those guys have struggled with comp % through out their career . I'm all for black QBs I could care less what color they are but don't say the networks are just dogging them for nothing.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

^ really ? So they didnt say tebow struggled reading defense and his mechanics were very bad? Because I could have swore they did. I agree with the black QB crap but in all fairness historically they aren't very accurate passers, Moon was phenomenal but for instance look at it today, Vick? mcnabb? Garrard? I mean those guys have struggled with comp % through out their career . I'm all for black QBs I could care less what color they are but don't say the networks are just dogging them for nothing.

"I'm all for black QBs, I could care less what color they are but don't say the networks are dogging them for nothing" BTW, Garrard has been over 60% every year he has started.

[skinsfaninok]

^ 60% is good? JC is better than that

[Shadowbyte]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

^ really ? So they didnt say tebow struggled reading defense and his mechanics were very bad? Because I could have swore they did. I agree with the black QB crap but in all fairness historically they aren't very accurate passers, Moon was phenomenal but for instance look at it today, Vick? mcnabb? Garrard? I mean those guys have struggled with comp % through out their career . I'm all for black QBs I could care less what color they are but don't say the networks are just dogging them for nothing.

John Elway has a career completion percentage of 56%. DM5's career completion percentage is 59%, Dan Marino's career completion percentage is 59%. Yet, everyone's perception is DM5 is horribly inaccurate. When his numbers are on par with some of the greatest QB's who ever played in the NFL. This is one of many examples why I think some of the coverage is biased. In some cases, the criticism is justified. My only concern is when they generalize whenever their covering a Black QB.