Twitter burns as Owners ratify

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The real culprit here is Twitter. Everyone's getting up in arms, even some players, publicly minute by minute for the world to see for what is just a standard part of the process. We're talking about a 10 year deal with no out clause. Of course, they should take their time to review it. Sorry if everyone wanted the players just to sign off on it right away...but maybe they're not as stupid as so many believe.

I agree on the Twitter thing. It has been the real unique culprit in this situation that no one was rpepared to deal with.

I don't think the players are very savvy when it comes to this stuff at all. In general that is.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The real culprit here is Twitter. Everyone's getting up in arms, even some players, publicly minute by minute for the world to see for what is just a standard part of the process. We're talking about a 10 year deal with no out clause. Of course, they should take their time to review it. Sorry if everyone wanted the players just to sign off on it right away...but maybe they're not as stupid as so many believe.

Totally understand the want to look over the proposal, but one would think the owners would feel the same way. So is it the owners voted for something they have not looked over or is it the players reps failed to stay a part of this whole process and really have no clue what's in the CBA and want to look it over?

I think it's funny how they using the term that the proposal is being forced down their throats? No it's not, if they stayed connected to DSmith and aware of the negotiations then they would have been able to go into the Thursday meeting and quickly go over the issues and vote on if they would agree to it. Plus how hard is it to get one of their lawyers they hired to go to that meeting and explain the verbiage and why it is the way it is?

Instead they go to a meeting totally unprepared, they act like they are unaware of what's in the proposal, complain that they need time to read it and digest it, and complain about things being added and forced down their throats.

Yet the all the owners show up talk for a few hours then meet the next day for 8+ hours over the same CBA proposal and all were able to read, digest, and talk about it then vote on it.

I hope the player reps were not planning on taking the proposal back to each player and letting them read it and digest it and make an informed decision, because then ther won't be a season.

There is two simple complications
1- do they want to be a union again. The reps can contact their teammates for the answer.

2- does the union agree to the new CBA.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The real culprit here is Twitter. Everyone's getting up in arms, even some players, publicly minute by minute for the world to see for what is just a standard part of the process. We're talking about a 10 year deal with no out clause. Of course, they should take their time to review it. Sorry if everyone wanted the players just to sign off on it right away...but maybe they're not as stupid as so many believe.

I completely agree. I think it was wise to keep the negotiations process away from some of the Twitter-STUPID players.
The other one at fault here for some of the misdirected anger at the players is the NFL Network. They were constantly putting up on the screen the best case scenario calendar where NFL would be open by this weekend or Monday. Getting everyone excited. Now that it might take a little longer, some impatient frustrated rabid fans are blaming the players.

Lotus got it right in an earlier post on this thread,
" There are 32 owners, 1700 players. It makes sense that player ratification may take longer."

So doors won't be open on Monday. It might take a few more days or a week more. Big deal. The world will not end. Free agency will come soon. Just calm down.

[SBXVII]

NFL network just talking about it saying basically ther is 2 big issues...

1- is the CBA which the players and owners don't have issues with.

And

2- how to settle the law suits and reform as a union "legally".

[SBXVII]

Now personally I think the NFLPA* should already have had a plan for all this and or atleast talked about by their lawyers. Why do I get the feeling the players had no intention of reforming and D.Smith never informed the players or their reps that the negotiations were going forward as if they will reform as a union? Then all the reps come back and are upset about the whole idea of reforming and dropping all the lawsuits.

[Monkeydad]

I'm not going to take anything from Twitter seriously. Most of the guys do not know the details and are just making initial emotional reactions public.

They're just making fools of themselves AND possibly hindering getting the thing done. I can't wait until Twitter dies.



Silence, Vonnie Holliday.

[MTK]

It's best to just avoid Twitter at times like this.

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

It's best to just avoid Twitter at times like this.

Yeah not a lot of owners getting on Twitter bitching about the players.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

It's best to just avoid Twitter at times like this.

That's why I don't even have it. Trouble can so easily lie just beneath the tweet.

[SmootSmack]

As I understand it, one major sticking point is the out clause. I don't know who's right here, but players expected the deal would have an out at 7 years; owners didn't include it.

Were the players right to expect it? I'm not sure

But overall, it's a misconception that the players were completely blind to the proposal. It's that the full proposal was just drafted yesterday or the day before, and it takes some time to digest every detail. And again, they should. Brown M & Ms.

Further, Goodell holding a press conference (and other owners talking about it as well), basically saying they have an agreement before the full proposal was sent to the players rubbed the players the wrong way. They felt it put PR pressure on them, and was an attempt to make them look like the bad guys

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

As I understand it, one major sticking point is the out clause. I don't know who's right here, but players expected the deal would have an out at 7 years; owners didn't include it.

Were the players right to expect it? I'm not sure

But overall, it's a misconception that the players were completely blind to the proposal. It's that the full proposal was just drafted yesterday or the day before, and it takes some time to digest every detail. And again, they should. Brown M & Ms.

Further, Goodell holding a press conference (and other owners talking about it as well), basically saying they have an agreement before the full proposal was sent to the players rubbed the players the wrong way. They felt it put PR pressure on them, and was an attempt to make them look like the bad guys

It was...they need to get over it. Both sides have done enough to try and make the other side look bad. You'd think they'd all be inoculated against it by now.

[MTK]

I think Don Banks summed it up well. The players need to stop acting so damn paranoid and thinking the owners are trying to screw them over, and the owners need to realize that the players do no react well when they think they are being backed into a corner.

It all comes down to a lack of trust between both sides. It's a tough thing to build back up once it's broken down.

[MTK]

Mawae says NFLPA* will consider proposal today | ProFootballTalk

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Mawae says NFLPA* will consider proposal today | ProFootballTalk

I'm beginning to think the players don't know what the issues are. Each time we hear from a rep it's something different. Did the players get a different proposal with different material inside? Do they not have the power to vote for the better of the whole? Where they not being kept informed of the negotiations and it's content?

The owners had the same issues but wee able to agree on the proposal. There were 32 owners and 32 reps all supposed to decide on the proposal. Not 1900+ players. That's why they are called reps.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I'm beginning to think the players don't know what the issues are. Each time we hear from a rep it's something different. Did the players get a different proposal with different material inside? Do they not have the power to vote for the better of the whole? Where they not being kept informed of the negotiations and it's content?

The owners had the same issues but wee able to agree on the proposal. There were 32 owners and 32 reps all supposed to decide on the proposal. Not 1900+ players. That's why they are called reps.

I'm sure it is harder to rail in 1900+ people and inform them of the issue than 32 owners. I'm sure things will get done over the weekend though, and the media just needs to let this work itself out. Also, the player reps need to get their act together and the players in general just need to stop going to twitter.