Vick is a crybaby

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I don't really have any strong opinions about whether Vick deserves more flags or if there's a racial component to it all, but Mick Vick is hardly soft. You might not like him, but soft? Get the f@ck outta here. He's probably one of the toughest, although not necessarily durable, players in the NFL. The guy gets knocked around like a ping pong ball and keeps on trucking.

As far as the hit in the Giants game, it was close but definitely helmet to helmet. Bottom line, had that been Tom Brady or Peyton Manning flags would have been all over the place.

Tough guys don't whine about getting hit. FBs and LBs are tough. McNabb throughout his career has been tough, Mark Brunell taking 57 sacks in a season w/Jax is tough, Archie Manning behind those awful Saints lines in the 70s without the QB rules today was tough, hell Jason Campbell is tough....but anyway this tunes been sung before by Vick/Reid.

Andy Reid bothered by hits on Michael Vick | ProFootballTalk

Par for the course with Vick, things get tough, it's somebody else's fault:

Michael Vick to judge: 'I am not the beast' - CNN.com

"I'm very humble and caring...." Last I checked folks that are really humble don't go around saying, "I'm very humble".

"I've accepted responsibility for my actions...", but yet its the area he grew up in, or people around him that made him fund and actively participate in his dogfighting exploits.

"I apologize for my failed drug test...", my Daddy made me sad, so I smoked.....Come on man.

"Throughout this entire case, I've just tried to be honest..." Really???? Translation, I had to be honest because there were sworn affidavits and mountains of evidence against me, the Suffolk prosecutor was neutralized by the Feds, and I didn't want to get nailed with Federal perjury charges on top of everything else.

Vick is an incredibly gifted athlete, but has been coddled his whole life because of it. He thinks he's entitled to money, fame, winning games. Instead of being tough and a good leader and doing what he can (more film study to get rid of the ball faster, throw the ball away and not try to make every play with his feet, understand the OL calls/protections better) to correct the issues with his teammates/coaches he whines about the refs in a presser. Sorry, that ain't tough.

What he should've done was STFU, do what I mention above, and let Reid whine to the media.

[12thMan]

Per NFL Network, Vick does not have a broken hand, but a contusion. He could play Sunday.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Per NFL Network, Vick does not have a broken hand, but a contusion. He could play Sunday.

Heard it on the radio too.

Michael Vick - Philadelphia Eagles - 2011 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com



Oh well, we'll just have to hurt him again in Week 6.

[Arrrgh!]

I think he had a point. His mistake was harping on it.

[MTK]

Brady is a well known whiner.

[BleedBurgundy]

and Vick's hand is not even broken. pussy.

edit - just saw 12th already posted this...

[12thMan]

Brady is a whiner. I personally know plenty of fans that say it all the time.

[saden1]

He needs to stop whining...then again it could be that NFL refs are dog lovers out for vengeance.

[SmootSmack]

Whine to the refs, don't do it in a press conference

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Whine to the refs, don't do it in a press conference

As you would say, preach.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Whine to the refs, don't do it in a press conference

Ha..what is he supposed to do call them up on the cell? I think the public format where the fans get to hear what athletes are thinking in their most raw state is a part of the sport we also love. I don't care what a player thinks about the hit in the offseason, months later. It's not even news at that point. I want to know if he's pissed right now. Who's saying what and why did they say it. If it's every other week, then that's a different story.

It's not like these guys are working 9-5 office jobs and they can ask the boss out for a drink after work to hash things out. That luxury doesn't really exist in the NFL; or the NBA, NHL, MLB. Everything's real time. You're bustling off to prepare for the next opponent, getting rehabbed, watching game tape, etc.

[12thMan]

SS33, you're weaving the dog fighting charge into this argument which I have no interest in discussing. However, we could very easily go down the pecking order of star athletes across the sports world and I guarantee you there's a clip or quote somewhere of them being frustrated following a loss to a divisional foe. I don't think Mick Vick is anymore of whiner in this particular nstance than say, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Ledainian Tomlinson, or Michael Jordan for that matter. All star athletes have allowed the heat of the moment to get the best of them after a tough loss.

The difference here is Vick didn't call this presser. Had he initiated a Mike Vick Monday presser, stood in front of the cameras with the express purpose to rip the refs, then I'd say yeah this guy is being a little soft. But he didn't. His hand was banged up, his team just got their asses handed to them, and he was live 20 minutes later. What was he supposed to say, oh yeah, it's all good.

The title of the thread seems a little disingenuous because it singles out Mike Vick as soft or whiny and I don't feel he has a history of whining about being hit late or when things on the gridiron don't go his way.

My final point is, who in the hell are you ---or any of us-- to say Michael Vick has been coddled all of his life? We don't know shit about what Mike Vick went through to get to where he is. Do you know how hard it is to even make it on a major college team? Character flaws aside, he worked his ass off to get where he is. Even since leaving the Atlanta Falcons the guy has worked on his technique and improved his game in some key areas. It's not even up for dispute, he has become a better pocket passer. So I kind of take issue with the idea that things fell into his lap because "he's gifted" and people "coddled" him. He honed his gift, perfected his craft, and rose to the top of his profession. JaMarcus Russell is an example of someone being coddled and gifted and consequently washing out of the league. Same with Ryan Leaf. Both were immense talents, but they were just too arrogant and lazy to become better pros and excel.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

SS33, you're weaving the dog fighting charge into this argument which I have no interest in discussing.

It's not the dogfighting issue, but the mindset in his letter to the judge. I have experiences with young people who have done some dumb $hit, all while having it pretty good. The type of responses and justifications I've heard are similar to Vick's.

The title of the thread seems a little disingenuous because it singles out Mike Vick as soft or whiny and I don't feel he has a history of whining about being hit late or when things on the gridiron don't go his way.

Him and Reid were whining back in Dec. 2010. Here's another link: Reid, Vick want more protection from officials - Philly.com

As SS & Matty mentioned, work the refs on the field, not in the media.

I take issue with folks saying Vick is so "tough". He's no tougher than any other QB in the league. Is he completely soft, no. He's a smaller guy that absorbs some hits, but it's because of how he plays. Let's not make it like he's FB tough or something. This whiny-baby stuff in the media in itself is soft.

My final point is, who in the hell are you ---or any of us-- to say Michael Vick has been coddled all of his life?

Has Vick improved recently, yes. Before his exit from the NFL did he "work his ass off", absolutley not. He's admitted as much.

I'm sure his upbringing prior to folks looking at him for his football abilities wasn't the best. But once he got to HS as a star athlete of his caliber, the rules and treatment are different, I've seen it first hand (not him specifically but with other D1 level athletes). In HS, if he was working harder (and coached better) it could have been him and Warwick in the State Championships instead of Ronald Curry and co. At VT, Vick was the team at the time, and Beamer and co. took care of him. If Vick was "working his ass off" he would've been a lot more prepared to read an NFL defense. It's not all Vick's fault, as VT certainly wasn't/isn't anywhere close to a good NFL development program for QBs. But again Vick's work ethic likely didn't go from stellar in college to crap with the Falcons.

If Vick doesn't have the physical gifts he's been blessed with, he'd be forced to work hard to be the starter. But with his talent, Vick was better than any other QB the Hokies had, or pretty much any QB in the NCAA at the time. In the NCAA (just like HS) players with great talent can get away with not putting in the same work and have a different set of rules from everyone else (coddled).

[SmootSmack]

Whether you know if he's pissed or not won't make a difference. But if he (and Reid) constantly (yet not annoyingly) talk to the refs during the games that will make a difference. It's what Brady and Belichick do, they work the system.

[MTK]

All the greats work the refs on the field. You'll never hear Manning or Brady whining in the media. Calling out the refs in public isn't going to win you any points with them.