Moss for Coles (merged)

[Funbunchfan]

I just read somewhere I forgot where but the Ravens said they will sweaten their deal b4 a deal is reached with the Jets. I also read that Samuels just rejected the latest deal the Skins offered him so it is possible that this whole siuation is moot. However if we are able to come to terms with Samuels I believe that the Jets need to sweeten their deal if L C is still unwilling to give back the 5 mil if traded then the Jets need to absorb some if not all of that. The reason I feel this way b/c Coles is a supperior reciever. Lets stop taking the short end of the stick as we did in the Portis-Bailey trade. I feel we should have been the ones to recieve the draft pick there. I do trust in Coach Gibbs that whatever the situation he will give it careful concideration b4 making the final decision and will make lemonade from the lemons he has been dealt.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Funbunchfan

I just read somewhere I forgot where but the Ravens said they will sweaten their deal b4 a deal is reached with the Jets. I also read that Samuels just rejected the latest deal the Skins offered him so it is possible that this whole siuation is moot. However if we are able to come to terms with Samuels I believe that the Jets need to sweeten their deal if L C is still unwilling to give back the 5 mil if traded then the Jets need to absorb some if not all of that. The reason I feel this way b/c Coles is a supperior reciever. Lets stop taking the short end of the stick as we did in the Portis-Bailey trade. I feel we should have been the ones to recieve the draft pick there. I do trust in Coach Gibbs that whatever the situation he will give it careful concideration b4 making the final decision and will make lemonade from the lemons he has been dealt.

If I had my choice I would take the draft pick's if they are offered, I like Moss but we can get a #1 and a 2 or 3 I would jump on it. As for Samuel's if he doesn't renegotiate I would cut or trade is underachieving A** that will take care of our cap problem's and open the door for Coles to be traded.

[CRT3]

Originally Posted by offiss

As for Samuel's if he doesn't renegotiate I would cut or trade is underachieving A** that will take care of our cap problem's and open the door for Coles to be traded.

How has he be underachieving? How many sacks has given up? Please explain

[skinsfanthru&thru]

Originally Posted by CRT3

How has he be underachieving? How many sacks has given up? Please explain

well he's definitely been underperforming as far as in comparision to what his salary warrants what his play should be like. he's in the top 10 of tackles but I don't know if I'd put him in the top five necessarily and just like smoot, that's what he expects to be paid like, but isn't really worth that amount of money. I for one would like to see him resigned because unlike Smoot, I don't think Samuels has reached his full potential and a very good LT with a starting qb who's right handed(and who's had the snot kicked out of him during his professional career), IMO is much much more important than a really good coverage cb.

as for this trade, I do like the big play factor moss will bring here, but with the Jets making it pretty clear he was being moved to the 3rd wr spot, why wouldn't we try to get atleast a second or third round pick along with Moss especially with other teams stepping up their offers.(whatever thos trade offers r, who knows?) and with the report that apparently if the trade goes through, the skins already have established that they will give moss an extension after march 2nd, anyone wanna take a guess on much more money were gonna be giving moss that he probably warrants ?

[SKINSnCANES]

We need a guy that makes you miss and make plays. i thought coles would do that but he didnt. He got the ball 90 times and didnt break hardly any except the one play at the end of the dallas game. why didnt he have the intensity everyplay? Coles could have been great with us and i wish he would stay, but he didnt have the heart that he needed and we dotn need that

[celts32]

Did Coles big plays disapear when Gibbs got to DC or did they disapear back when he hurt that toe? Although I don't love this trade I certainly will not miss LC and his untreatable neverending toe injury....

[Schneed10]

No, I think Coles had heart and played hard with a lot of effort, I just think he couldn't cut like he wanted to with the toe. And since he's not getting it fixed, it is probably better that he's movin on out.

Moss is a big play guy with the big Yards Per Catch number, but let's not overrate him here, he's not a true #1 receiver. We're going to need another guy to line up across from him and attract attention, or else defenses are just going to roll a safety over to handle Moss on deep routes. If the Redskins can't keep the safeties honest with another receiver, Moss's big-play ability is going to be limited, because he's just not going to outmuscle a double team like TO can, or out-jump one like Randy Moss can. Maybe Taylor Jacobs can step up and be big for us, I don't know. But if we don't have a good receiver to go with Moss, I don't think the passing game will improve that much.

We should still be looking to land another WR if possible. I'd prefer restructuring Samuels for the cap room to resign Pierce and go get a Derrick Mason. But drafting a Mike Williams or a Troy Williamson would be nice too.

[MTK]

Picks are overrated, you're getting an unknown commodity in what's not regarded as an overly strong draft class, while with Moss you know exactly what you're getting, and dumping serious baggage at the same time.

[drew54]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Picks are overrated, you're getting an unknown commodity in what's not regarded as an overly strong draft class, while with Moss you know exactly what you're getting, and dumping serious baggage at the same time.

Would someone tell that to Philly, New England, and Pitsburgh.

[SKINSnCANES]

This trade might not be straight up. Mabye for a change a team came to us and offered extra compensation to make a deal. Mabye we'll get a second and moss out of this.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

This trade might not be straight up. Mabye for a change a team came to us and offered extra compensation to make a deal. Mabye we'll get a second and moss out of this.

now that would be a great trade, but highly unlikely...

[Daseal]

I don't so much like this trade. I don't think Moss is a legitimate #1.

[celts32]

The latest WP article that Matt just posted suggests that other teams are likely to increase thier offers before anything is finalized. There seems to be a lot of interest in Coles so the skins better make sure they are taking the best offer available before they jump into this Jets deal. If teams like Baltimore are offering #1 picks, maybe the Jets do need to include a pick with moss to make this deal fair.

[SKINSnCANES]

Hopefully there will be a lot of competition for him, that only helps us.

We will find otu a lot more over the weekend.

[Gmanc711]

We cannot eat the entire cap hit of Coles. I'd rather straight out release him; than get Moss, have to pay the rest of Coles garbage, and then resign Moss on top of that. Now, if we can get a way so that the cap hit is down in the 3-4mil range, pull the trigger on this deal ASAP. Otherwise; I'd be happier either just keeping Coles, or just letting him walk. To me, the Cap hit is the main player in this. And if we are getting screwed over there, I say forget it.