Raheem Morris

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I would add that we thought that Bernstine might be a contributor this season (not as a starter), but he went on IR right at the outset. So we have 3 safties who have been out all year, and 1 CB who has finally gotten on to the field only yesterday in Griffin. Few teams could weather the loss of 4 players in the secondary, and certainly not our team given that the secondary was not strong to begin with. I don't think it is time to panic here.

What I also find troubling is a lack of a pass rush. I know Orakpo and Carriker were really important to this effort, but we have virtually no push given QBs lots of time to work through progressions. We got a whopping 1 sack versys Eli yesterday, and very few pressures and hits. Granted, the Giants O-line has been better this year than expected (although why we didn't tee off Lockyear is beyond me), but we just cannot give folks that kind of time.

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Somebody has to be blamed for allowing Williams to be so close to the line yesterday. I will go to my grave saying we should have played prevent. With Eli Manning and our secondary in crunch time I absolutely would have played to hold them to a fg and OT there. Eli was missing some short passes yesterday and a fg can always be missed too. We stay in prevent and the worst case scenario is OT. Best is Eli misses or throws a pick or they miss a FG or they simply dont get into FG range - especially with Nicks playing hurt. To let Cruz run strait up the middle of the field in what we knew was a pass situation is just ridiculous.


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[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Somebody has to be blamed for allowing Williams to be so close to the line yesterday. I will go to my grave saying we should have played prevent. With Eli Manning and our secondary in crunch time I absolutely would have played to hold them to a fg and OT there. Eli was missing some short passes yesterday and a fg can always be missed too. We stay in prevent and the worst case scenario is OT. Best is Eli misses or throws a pick or they miss a FG or they simply dont get into FG range - especially with Nicks playing hurt. To let Cruz run strait up the middle of the field in what we knew was a pass situation is just ridiculous.


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I kind of gotta blame Williams for that. He's a veteran who got caught flat footed. I mean Jordan Pugh seemed to know exactly what he had to do. Wiliams got caught planted the other way and he doesn't have the speed to make up for it

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I kind of gotta blame Williams for that. He's a veteran who got caught flat footed. I mean Jordan Pugh seemed to know exactly what he had to do. Wiliams got caught planted the other way and he doesn't have the speed to make up for it

I think quite a few people are unhappy with the play of Williams this year. Is that why Dhall is getting more snaps at FS?....lol

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I think quite a few people are unhappy with the play of Williams this year. Is that why Dhall is getting more snaps at FS?....lol

Well, I think with Griffin back you can see Hall play some more FS but even this summer (when they had Jackson and Meriweather ready to go, along with Bernstine), Hall was getting looks at FS.

Much as people hate to hear, defense wants Hall on the field as much as possible. Whether it's lined up outside at CB, in the slot, or at FS.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I kind of gotta blame Williams for that. He's a veteran who got caught flat footed. I mean Jordan Pugh seemed to know exactly what he had to do. Wiliams got caught planted the other way and he doesn't have the speed to make up for it

I think that too. In that situation you just can't let a receiver get behind you so easily. Williams should have been taking a step or two back from the get-go.

But shouldn't a coach (like Haslett) be ensuring that everyone is doing that?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Somebody has to be blamed for allowing Williams to be so close to the line yesterday. I will go to my grave saying we should have played prevent. With Eli Manning and our secondary in crunch time I absolutely would have played to hold them to a fg and OT there. Eli was missing some short passes yesterday and a fg can always be missed too. We stay in prevent and the worst case scenario is OT. Best is Eli misses or throws a pick or they miss a FG or they simply dont get into FG range - especially with Nicks playing hurt. To let Cruz run strait up the middle of the field in what we knew was a pass situation is just ridiculous.


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Hey, we took Bellichek's idea of letting them score as fast as possible to a whole new extreme, and minus a fumble we still might have gotten the last score in. It's all perspective!

[Bucket]

Haslett not the problem with Redskins' D - NFC East Blog - ESPN

What the coaching staff did not do is actually go out and cover the receivers themselves. And unfortunately for them, neither did the defensive backs assigned to Cruz. Cornerback Josh Wilson let Cruz get behind him, which he never should have done at that spot on the field. And safety Madieu Williams, astoundingly, did the same. So when Manning's pass found Cruz, the only hope either Redskin had was to catch him. And there was no chance of that happening.

So to those calling for the firing of defensive coordinator Jim Haslett, I pose this question: Who do you propose as his replacement, and would that person somehow be able to make Madieu Williams a better NFL safety?

Of course he wouldn't.

The Redskins' secondary is a wreck. The two players they hoped would start for them at safety haven't played a single snap this season. Tanard Jackson got hit with a season-long drug suspension on cutdown day, and Brandon Meriweather has suffered through a series of injuries that have delayed his Redskins debut until some time in the future. That means their best safety is Williams, who's a really good guy and gets the defense but doesn't have the physical skills at this point in his career to actually play it. The rest of the safety crew is Reed Doughty, DeJon Gomes and Jordan Pugh. What this means is, when you call for double coverage at the end of a game like this and you're assigning a safety as part of that against one of the best receivers in the league, you're not working with top-level options.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by Bucket

Haslett not the problem with Redskins' D - NFC East Blog - ESPN

What the coaching staff did not do is actually go out and cover the receivers themselves. And unfortunately for them, neither did the defensive backs assigned to Cruz. Cornerback Josh Wilson let Cruz get behind him, which he never should have done at that spot on the field. And safety Madieu Williams, astoundingly, did the same. So when Manning's pass found Cruz, the only hope either Redskin had was to catch him. And there was no chance of that happening.

So to those calling for the firing of defensive coordinator Jim Haslett, I pose this question: Who do you propose as his replacement, and would that person somehow be able to make Madieu Williams a better NFL safety?

Of course he wouldn't.

The Redskins' secondary is a wreck. The two players they hoped would start for them at safety haven't played a single snap this season. Tanard Jackson got hit with a season-long drug suspension on cutdown day, and Brandon Meriweather has suffered through a series of injuries that have delayed his Redskins debut until some time in the future. That means their best safety is Williams, who's a really good guy and gets the defense but doesn't have the physical skills at this point in his career to actually play it. The rest of the safety crew is Reed Doughty, DeJon Gomes and Jordan Pugh. What this means is, when you call for double coverage at the end of a game like this and you're assigning a safety as part of that against one of the best receivers in the league, you're not working with top-level options.

Graziano wrote it perfectly

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Bucket

Haslett not the problem with Redskins' D - NFC East Blog - ESPN

What the coaching staff did not do is actually go out and cover the receivers themselves. And unfortunately for them, neither did the defensive backs assigned to Cruz. Cornerback Josh Wilson let Cruz get behind him, which he never should have done at that spot on the field. And safety Madieu Williams, astoundingly, did the same. So when Manning's pass found Cruz, the only hope either Redskin had was to catch him. And there was no chance of that happening.

So to those calling for the firing of defensive coordinator Jim Haslett, I pose this question: Who do you propose as his replacement, and would that person somehow be able to make Madieu Williams a better NFL safety?

Of course he wouldn't.

The Redskins' secondary is a wreck. The two players they hoped would start for them at safety haven't played a single snap this season. Tanard Jackson got hit with a season-long drug suspension on cutdown day, and Brandon Meriweather has suffered through a series of injuries that have delayed his Redskins debut until some time in the future. That means their best safety is Williams, who's a really good guy and gets the defense but doesn't have the physical skills at this point in his career to actually play it. The rest of the safety crew is Reed Doughty, DeJon Gomes and Jordan Pugh. What this means is, when you call for double coverage at the end of a game like this and you're assigning a safety as part of that against one of the best receivers in the league, you're not working with top-level options.

Couldn't agree more. Haslett was handed turds and asked to turn them into gold. Not gonna happen with any DC.

It's the same thing with Kyle S. last year being asked to run an offense with Grossman and Beck. I mean, c'mon. This year he's given a top QB and the results are there. Doesn't take a genius to see talent makes the scheme go.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by Bucket

Haslett not the problem with Redskins' D - NFC East Blog - ESPN

What the coaching staff did not do is actually go out and cover the receivers themselves. And unfortunately for them, neither did the defensive backs assigned to Cruz. Cornerback Josh Wilson let Cruz get behind him, which he never should have done at that spot on the field. And safety Madieu Williams, astoundingly, did the same. So when Manning's pass found Cruz, the only hope either Redskin had was to catch him. And there was no chance of that happening.

So to those calling for the firing of defensive coordinator Jim Haslett, I pose this question: Who do you propose as his replacement, and would that person somehow be able to make Madieu Williams a better NFL safety?

Of course he wouldn't.

The Redskins' secondary is a wreck. The two players they hoped would start for them at safety haven't played a single snap this season. Tanard Jackson got hit with a season-long drug suspension on cutdown day, and Brandon Meriweather has suffered through a series of injuries that have delayed his Redskins debut until some time in the future. That means their best safety is Williams, who's a really good guy and gets the defense but doesn't have the physical skills at this point in his career to actually play it. The rest of the safety crew is Reed Doughty, DeJon Gomes and Jordan Pugh. What this means is, when you call for double coverage at the end of a game like this and you're assigning a safety as part of that against one of the best receivers in the league, you're not working with top-level options.

I completely concur. But I still say Raheem Morris is at fault. The Redskins need a faster and quicker and YOUNGER FS back there roaming the field

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

I completely concur. But I still say Raheem Morris is at fault. The Redskins need a faster and quicker and YOUNGER FS back there roaming the field

its been a crazy day on this board

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I kind of gotta blame Williams for that. He's a veteran who got caught flat footed. I mean Jordan Pugh seemed to know exactly what he had to do. Wiliams got caught planted the other way and he doesn't have the speed to make up for it

Yes exactly he doesnt. He was out of position entirely is my point. Why? Why was he so far up in coverage. We could have called a timeout but im assuming Williams didnt take it upon himself to move so far up. He was exactly where the coaches wanted him to be on the field at that point. Williams should have been waaaaay back.


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[Bucket]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Yes exactly he doesnt. He was out of position entirely is my point. Why? Why was he so far up in coverage. We could have called a timeout but im assuming Williams didnt take it upon himself to move so far up. He was exactly where the coaches wanted him to be on the field at that point. Williams should have been waaaaay back.


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Because he played to close. Haslett doesnt have anything to do with how close he played.

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How many of you that are saying our secondary sucks were calling for use to let Carlos go? I never understood why we ran him out of town.